Hello,
My father-in-law has gone into hospital yesterday with a stroke. He is
diabetic so on insulin injections (a few a day).
Now he is hospital, the docters are NOT giving him insulin because they say
he doesn’t need it.
Is it possible that his blood-sugar level is so low that he doesn’t need it,
or, I hate to say it, are they doing this on purpose?
Are there any reasons not to give a stroke victim insulin?
Thanks
CQMMAN wrote:
> Are there any reasons not to give a stroke victim insulin?
If his BG was too low.
When my dad was in the hospital recently having TIAs they gave him
insulin. I think they were keeping him below 140. My uncle’s 78 yo wife
is at death’s door right now, having had 2 heart surgeries. The
hospital is giving her insulin and she isn’t diabetic.
"CQMMAN" <cqm…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:30v03vF35g5meU1@uni-berlin.de…
> Hello,
> My father-in-law has gone into hospital yesterday with a stroke. He is
> diabetic so on insulin injections (a few a day).
> Now he is hospital, the docters are NOT giving him insulin because they
say
> he doesn’t need it.
> Is it possible that his blood-sugar level is so low that he doesn’t need
it,
> or, I hate to say it, are they doing this on purpose?
> Are there any reasons not to give a stroke victim insulin?
Does he have type 1 or type 2? If type 1, he will die with no insulin. If
type 2, he may not need it due to various reasons.
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:00:29 -0000, "CQMMAN" <cqm…@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>Hello,
>My father-in-law has gone into hospital yesterday with a stroke. He is
>diabetic so on insulin injections (a few a day).
>Now he is hospital, the docters are NOT giving him insulin because they say
>he doesn’t need it.
>Is it possible that his blood-sugar level is so low that he doesn’t need it,
>or, I hate to say it, are they doing this on purpose?
>Are there any reasons not to give a stroke victim insulin?
>Thanks
Hard to give a direct answer.
If they are monitoring is BG levels, and they are in the normal range
without insulin (not likely but remotely possible in a T2), fine.
If they aren’t giving him insulin, and they aren’t monitoring his BG
levels, someone needs to be take out and shot, and you need to have an
exceptional blunt conversation with the responsible physician, and/or
the head of the department.
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CQMMAN wrote in message <30v03vF35g5m…@uni-berlin.de>…
>Hello,
>My father-in-law has gone into hospital yesterday with a stroke. He is
>diabetic so on insulin injections (a few a day).
>Now he is hospital, the docters are NOT giving him insulin because they say
>he doesn’t need it.
>Is it possible that his blood-sugar level is so low that he doesn’t need
it,
>or, I hate to say it, are they doing this on purpose?
>Are there any reasons not to give a stroke victim insulin?
>Thanks
Take a good look at Matt Weber’s post again. I’ll quote the pertinent
paragraph:
". . . .If they aren’t giving him insulin, and they aren’t monitoring
his BG levels, someone needs to be take out and shot, and you
need to have an exceptional blunt conversation with the responsible
physician, and/or the head of the department.. . ."
If they are monitoring his blood sugars, they may have set a very high
target for blood sugar such that his weakened beta cells can meet the target
without the help of injected insulin.
Many hospitals have protocols which call for maintaining a diabetic
patient’s blood sugar at some value near 200 mg/dL (11.1 mmol/L). This
is an obsolete protocol. The best docs have found that seriously ill
patients do much better if the hospital takes the extra effort to maintain
their blood sugar somewhere around 140 mg/dL (7.8 mmol/L)
e.g.
http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&s…
". . .Treatment of Blood Sugar Levels in Intensive Care Patients Reduces
Mortality 29%. . ."
You should find out what his blood sugars are. As Matt says, if they are
totally screwing this up, it’s criminal.
If they are partially screwing this up, it’s merely very bad and very
dangerous.k (merely ! ! )
(BTW, there are no reasons for with-holding insulin from a diabetic stroke
patient unless by some odd chance, he has normal blood sugars witnout
insulin injections.)
Regards
Old Al
CQMMAN wrote:
> Hello,
> My father-in-law has gone into hospital yesterday with a stroke. He is
> diabetic so on insulin injections (a few a day).
> Now he is hospital, the docters are NOT giving him insulin because
> they say he doesn’t need it.
> Is it possible that his blood-sugar level is so low that he doesn’t
> need it, or, I hate to say it, are they doing this on purpose?
> Are there any reasons not to give a stroke victim insulin?
> Thanks
Thanks for all the replies. I am not 100% sure if he is type 1 or type 2. He
lives in a different country and was over here with us a couple of weeks
ago. While here, he was taking insulin but his BG level was much lower than
normal so perhaps his body is producing insulin, just not enough.
Either way, looks like we will have to give them a kick to make sure they
are monitoring it closely.
Cheers
"oldal4865" <oldal4…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> CQMMAN wrote in message <30v03vF35g5m…@uni-berlin.de>…
>>Hello,
>>My father-in-law has gone into hospital yesterday with a stroke. He is
>>diabetic so on insulin injections (a few a day).
>>Now he is hospital, the docters are NOT giving him insulin because they
>>say
>>he doesn’t need it.
>>Is it possible that his blood-sugar level is so low that he doesn’t need
> it,
>>or, I hate to say it, are they doing this on purpose?
>>Are there any reasons not to give a stroke victim insulin?
>>Thanks
> Take a good look at Matt Weber’s post again. I’ll quote the pertinent
> paragraph:
> ". . . .If they aren’t giving him insulin, and they aren’t monitoring
> his BG levels, someone needs to be take out and shot, and you
> need to have an exceptional blunt conversation with the responsible
> physician, and/or the head of the department.. . ."
> If they are monitoring his blood sugars, they may have set a very high
> target for blood sugar such that his weakened beta cells can meet the
> target
> without the help of injected insulin.
> Many hospitals have protocols which call for maintaining a diabetic
> patient’s blood sugar at some value near 200 mg/dL (11.1 mmol/L).
> This
> is an obsolete protocol. The best docs have found that seriously ill
> patients do much better if the hospital takes the extra effort to maintain
> their blood sugar somewhere around 140 mg/dL (7.8 mmol/L)
> e.g.
> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&s…
Bloody good job our very own insulin expert ("Doctor" Mickey Martin) isn’t
here reading this Al. After all they say these naughty words
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> ". . .Treatment of Blood Sugar Levels in Intensive Care Patients Reduces
> Mortality 29%. . ."
> You should find out what his blood sugars are. As Matt says, if they
> are
> totally screwing this up, it’s criminal.
> If they are partially screwing this up, it’s merely very bad and very
> dangerous.k (merely ! ! )
> (BTW, there are no reasons for with-holding insulin from a diabetic
> stroke
> patient unless by some odd chance, he has normal blood sugars witnout
> insulin injections.)
> Regards
> Old Al
"oldal4865" <oldal4…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> CQMMAN wrote in message <30v03vF35g5m…@uni-berlin.de>…
>>Hello,
>>My father-in-law has gone into hospital yesterday with a stroke. He is
>>diabetic so on insulin injections (a few a day).
>>Now he is hospital, the docters are NOT giving him insulin because they
>>say
>>he doesn’t need it.
>>Is it possible that his blood-sugar level is so low that he doesn’t need
> it,
>>or, I hate to say it, are they doing this on purpose?
>>Are there any reasons not to give a stroke victim insulin?
>>Thanks
> Take a good look at Matt Weber’s post again. I’ll quote the pertinent
> paragraph:
> ". . . .If they aren’t giving him insulin, and they aren’t monitoring
> his BG levels, someone needs to be take out and shot, and you
> need to have an exceptional blunt conversation with the responsible
> physician, and/or the head of the department.. . ."
> If they are monitoring his blood sugars, they may have set a very high
> target for blood sugar such that his weakened beta cells can meet the
> target
> without the help of injected insulin.
> Many hospitals have protocols which call for maintaining a diabetic
> patient’s blood sugar at some value near 200 mg/dL (11.1 mmol/L).
> This
> is an obsolete protocol. The best docs have found that seriously ill
> patients do much better if the hospital takes the extra effort to maintain
> their blood sugar somewhere around 140 mg/dL (7.8 mmol/L)
> e.g.
> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&s…
That’d be THESE words btw:-)
The protocol involved intensive monitoring of the glucose levels in patients
and treating any elevation over 140 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dL) with
injections of insulin under the skin or continuous intravenous insulin
infusions, depending on the level of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Intravenous? Wouldn’t that kill someone stone dead, even with as little as 2
units? (According to the "scriptures" it would)
Beav
en Russell" <kenrussellmy…@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> One thing you can say for the doc, he doesn’t give up!
> Must a nice commission in it for him
> —
> Ken Russell
>everting snipped for obvious reasons<
It will if you keep reposting his drivel
David etc
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batezee wrote:
> en Russell" <kenrussellmy…@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:41aa311f$0$22803$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au…
>> One thing you can say for the doc, he doesn’t give up!
>> Must a nice commission in it for him
>> —
>> Ken Russell
>> everting snipped for obvious reasons<
> It will if you keep reposting his drivel
> David etc
Especially if it gets reposted as a new thread. I’ve blocked this
thread 4 times already. Give it a rest please.
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T2/UK/A1c 5.8/ 1000Met/Dx Oct-03
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:12:20 +1100, "Ken Russell"
<kenrussellmy…@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>One thing you can say for the doc, he doesn’t give up!
>Must a nice commission in it for him
>–
>Ken Russell
Then you’d better contact him for your 10% for re-posting the spam that
my isp or newsservice blocked.
Cheers, Alan
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