occupant <electronicmailfixtos…@telus.net> wrote in message <news:410B87D3.BB1F1DD1@telus.net>…
> general comments appreciated if appropriate
> Cholesterol normal – annual checkup/tests fine.
If either your triglycerides is more than 150 mg/dl or your blood
sugar is more than 100 mg/dl, you may have metabolic syndrome (MetS).
A low HDL is also considered in the diagnosis. Your LDL can be normal
and you still could have MetS.
> bp 135/80.
> inactive(too much internet) 20 pounds overweight, aged 55, 6′/200 lbs,
> moderate gut.
At 6′, your "ideal" body weight may be 160 lbs so that you might be
actually 40 pounds over "ideal."
> Don’t want to go on medications if at all possible.
This is likely achievable the closer you can get to and maintain your
"ideal" body weight.
> Is it reasonable to
> assume 30 min of moderate daily exercise will significantly reduce my
> bp? Is 30, 60 or 90 days a reasonable amount of time to see if a
> reduction in bp is possible with exercise?
Exercise is a good thing provided you don’t sustain an injury.
Losing weight permanently is what can "cure" your MetS.
Would suggest you ask your doctor about the 2PD Approach:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
> Is there a bp level at which strokes/heart attacks are likely (almost
> certain) or is it extremely varied?
The latter.
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On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA web
site today.
American Board of Medical Specialties Certification:
Copyright 2004 American Board of Medical Specialties. All rights reserved.
Internal Medicine
Indicating he is board certified in Internal Medicine.
http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=220157/SESSION_…
http://tinyurl.com/3vcgz
If you want to disagree that is fine. But tell the truth.
Bill
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:32:19 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
>"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
>> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
>> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
>> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
>> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
>> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
>> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
>I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA web
>site today.
>American Board of Medical Specialties Certification:
>Copyright 2004 American Board of Medical Specialties. All rights reserved.
>Internal Medicine
>Indicating he is board certified in Internal Medicine.
>http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=220157/SESSION_…
>http://tinyurl.com/3vcgz
>If you want to disagree that is fine. But tell the truth.
>Bill
you left out the warning tag the ama attached.
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> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:32:19 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
> >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
> >news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
> >> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
> >> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
> >> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
> >> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
> >> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
> >> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
> >I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA
web
> >site today.
> >American Board of Medical Specialties Certification:
> >Copyright 2004 American Board of Medical Specialties. All rights reserved.
> >Internal Medicine
> >Indicating he is board certified in Internal Medicine.
>http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=220157/SESSION_…
m_name=aps_result?action_detail.x=hello&row=0&key=0&amap=N&form_type=r&mem=N
> >http://tinyurl.com/3vcgz
> >If you want to disagree that is fine. But tell the truth.
> >Bill
> you left out the warning tag the ama attached.
So did you. So I have no idea what you are talking about. Nevertheless, the
site does indicate that he is board certified. Whereas you said
"The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
Which was untrue.
Bill
P.S. You might wish to check your spelling of "cardiology" in you list of sent
to newsgroups. I have to keep changing it to be correct.
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:57:16 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
>"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:32:19 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
>> >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> >news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
>> >> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
>> >> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
>> >> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
>> >> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
>> >> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
>> >> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
>> >I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA
>web
>> >site today.
>> >American Board of Medical Specialties Certification:
>> >Copyright 2004 American Board of Medical Specialties. All rights reserved.
>> >Internal Medicine
>> >Indicating he is board certified in Internal Medicine.
>>http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=220157/SESSION_…
>m_name=aps_result?action_detail.x=hello&row=0&key=0&amap=N&form_type=r&mem=N
>> >http://tinyurl.com/3vcgz
>> >If you want to disagree that is fine. But tell the truth.
>> >Bill
>> you left out the warning tag the ama attached.
>So did you. So I have no idea what you are talking about. Nevertheless, the
>site does indicate that he is board certified. Whereas you said
>"The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
>Which was untrue.
>Bill
mudengchung claims to be a board certified cardiologist, the ama tags
a warning onto that and says he is not.
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> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:57:16 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
> >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
> >news:6jgtg09b3tbkrjnt7qguc2g706u47q3c61@4ax.com…
> >> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:32:19 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
> >> >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
> >> >> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
> >> >> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
> >> >> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
> >> >> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
> >> >> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
> >> >> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
> >> >I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA
> >web
> >> >site today.
> >> >American Board of Medical Specialties Certification:
> >> >Copyright 2004 American Board of Medical Specialties. All rights
reserved.
> >> >Internal Medicine
> >> >Indicating he is board certified in Internal Medicine.
>>http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=220157/SESSION_…
r
>m_name=aps_result?action_detail.x=hello&row=0&key=0&amap=N&form_type=r&mem=N
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/3vcgz
> >> >If you want to disagree that is fine. But tell the truth.
> >> >Bill
> >> you left out the warning tag the ama attached.
> >So did you. So I have no idea what you are talking about. Nevertheless, the
> >site does indicate that he is board certified. Whereas you said
> >"The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
> >Which was untrue.
> >Bill
> mudengchung claims to be a board certified cardiologist, the ama tags
> a warning onto that and says he is not.
Why is this name calling needed? Could you point me to where the AMA tags a
warning onto his claim of board certification? I don’t believe this is true.
In any case you said "The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified." which
was untrue. The site says he is board certified in internal medicine. And as
far as I can see it does not say that he is not board certified in anything
else or that he is.
Bill
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>"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:vgjtg0hn3obe8an7k61ak3am7b7s2a1jak@4ax.com…
>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:57:16 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
>> >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> >news:6jgtg09b3tbkrjnt7qguc2g706u47q3c61@4ax.com…
>> >> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:32:19 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
>> >> >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
>> >> >> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
>> >> >> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
>> >> >> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
>> >> >> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
>> >> >> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
>> >> >> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
>> >> >I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA
>> >web
>> >> >site today.
>> >> >American Board of Medical Specialties Certification:
>> >> >Copyright 2004 American Board of Medical Specialties. All rights
>reserved.
>> >> >Internal Medicine
>> >> >Indicating he is board certified in Internal Medicine.
>>>http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=220157/SESSION_…
>r
>>m_name=aps_result?action_detail.x=hello&row=0&key=0&amap=N&form_type=r&mem=N
>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/3vcgz
>> >> >If you want to disagree that is fine. But tell the truth.
>> >> >Bill
>> >> you left out the warning tag the ama attached.
>> >So did you. So I have no idea what you are talking about. Nevertheless, the
>> >site does indicate that he is board certified. Whereas you said
>> >"The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
>> >Which was untrue.
>> >Bill
>> mudengchung claims to be a board certified cardiologist, the ama tags
>> a warning onto that and says he is not.
>Why is this name calling needed? Could you point me to where the AMA tags a
>warning onto his claim of board certification? I don’t believe this is true.
>In any case you said "The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified." which
>was untrue. The site says he is board certified in internal medicine. And as
>far as I can see it does not say that he is not board certified in anything
>else or that he is.
>Bill
read the site a little closer.
it’s not hidden.
also when the hospitals that were listed where the mudungchung claims
to have hospital privileges, the hospitals say they do not even know
who he is let alone that he has any privileges.
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"Hairy Antelope" <47oc0h…@sneakGnuemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:55:53 GMT, Bill wrote:
> > In any case you said "The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
which
> > was untrue. The site says he is board certified in internal medicine. And
as
> > far as I can see it does not say that he is not board certified in
anything
> > else or that he is.
> While not wanting to get deeply embroiled in this brou-ha-ha, curiosity
> made me go look at the AMA listing …. what Mack may be referring to is
> the little (note) added to both speciality items:
> Ie:
> For
> >Primary Specialty (Self Designated)(note):
> >CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASES
> clicking on the (note) brings up
> >Indicates a self-designated specialty which is not equivalent to nor
> >does it imply ABMS Board Certification or special training and competence.
> while for
> >Secondary Specialties (note):
> >INTERNAL MEDICINE
> clicking on the (note) brings up
> >Indicates a self-designated specialty which is not equivalent to nor
> >does it imply ABMS Board Certification or special training and competence.
> which certainly seems to leave some room for doubt …
But they say that for every Dr. who lists a speciality. So what would be the
point?
Bill
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> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:55:53 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
> >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> >> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:57:16 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
> >> >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:6jgtg09b3tbkrjnt7qguc2g706u47q3c61@4ax.com…
> >> >> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:32:19 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
> >> >> >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
> >> >> >> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
> >> >> >> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
> >> >> >> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
> >> >> >> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting
fired
> >> >> >> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
> >> >> >> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
> >> >> >I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the
AMA
> >> >web
> >> >> >site today.
> >> >> >American Board of Medical Specialties Certification:
> >> >> >Copyright 2004 American Board of Medical Specialties. All rights
> >reserved.
> >> >> >Internal Medicine
> >> >> >Indicating he is board certified in Internal Medicine.
>>>http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=220157/SESSION_…
f
> >r
>>m_name=aps_result?action_detail.x=hello&row=0&key=0&amap=N&form_type=r&mem=N
> >> >> >http://tinyurl.com/3vcgz
> >> >> >If you want to disagree that is fine. But tell the truth.
> >> >> >Bill
> >> >> you left out the warning tag the ama attached.
> >> >So did you. So I have no idea what you are talking about. Nevertheless,
the
> >> >site does indicate that he is board certified. Whereas you said
> >> >"The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
> >> >Which was untrue.
> >> >Bill
> >> mudengchung claims to be a board certified cardiologist, the ama tags
> >> a warning onto that and says he is not.
> >Why is this name calling needed? Could you point me to where the AMA tags a
> >warning onto his claim of board certification? I don’t believe this is
true.
> >In any case you said "The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
which
> >was untrue. The site says he is board certified in internal medicine. And
as
> >far as I can see it does not say that he is not board certified in anything
> >else or that he is.
> >Bill
> read the site a little closer.
> it’s not hidden.
You claimed
"The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
I do not believe that to be correct. And saying read it closer does not help.
> also when the hospitals that were listed where the mudungchung
Why do you need to call him names?
Bill
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>claims
> to have hospital privileges, the hospitals say they do not even know
> who he is let alone that he has any privileges.
> Mâck©®
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> http://www.diabetic-talk.org
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> of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
> terrorism.
> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
> President, or that we are to stand by the President
> right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
> but is morally treasonable to the American public."
> …Theodore Roosevelt
> Have you heard of the NO-CARB Diet for 2004?
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On 3 Aug 2004 08:51:21 GMT, Chris Malcolm <c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
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>In alt.support.diabetes Bill <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
>> "Mck" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
>>> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
>>> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
>>> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
>>> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
>>> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
>>> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
>> I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA web
>> site today.
>IMHO Chung is a good doctor who provides useful on-line medical
>information. He is well respected in the cardiology newsgroup. But
>he can’t resist replying to trolls and he can’t resist displaying his
>sincerely held religious beliefs which the trolls love to
>mock. Consequently he has gathered around him a flock of childish
>websnipes and trolls who follow him everywhere calling him names and
>throwing stones. I guess it’s the only thing in their miserable lives
>which allows them to feel important.
so why does chung troll the other groups?
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of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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Chris Malcolm wrote:
> In alt.support.diabetes Bill <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
>>"Mck" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
>>>On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
>>>Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
>>>troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
>>>could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
>>>when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
>>>The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
>>I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA web
>>site today.
> IMHO Chung is a good doctor who provides useful on-line medical
> information. He is well respected in the cardiology newsgroup. But
> he can’t resist replying to trolls and he can’t resist displaying his
> sincerely held religious beliefs which the trolls love to
> mock. Consequently he has gathered around him a flock of childish
> websnipes and trolls who follow him everywhere calling him names and
> throwing stones. I guess it’s the only thing in their miserable lives
> which allows them to feel important.
Nice job, Chris. Good to note that it’s your opinions here about his
useful information (except about nutrition and caloric usage?) and
that he’s "well respected" in the cardiology newsgroup. As you know,
not too many hold that same series of opinions.
And is his Fake FAQ a response to trolls or his religious convictions
coming out? As for trolling, few are as accomplished as Chung when he
posts messages for the "convenience" of others across several
newsgroups with the clear intent to embarrass people. Few troll as
well as he has with his macro messages repeated scores of times. His
phony FAQ which he posts and then replies to, praising himself and the
"anonymous" authors (!) who wrote it. A spamming troll himself is Chung.
His "sincerely held" religious beliefs are a bludgeon in his unloving
hands. He tries to use them to insult and demean others.
Beyond all that, his fakery and persistent error in discussing
nutritional questions clearly show him to be less than qualified and
less than honest.
He has created the setting and the environment for his being
criticized by his own actions. Your sneering "analysis" is just as
bizarre and self-serving as Chung’s relentless display of hubris.
Bob
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Bill wrote:
> "Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:6jgtg09b3tbkrjnt7qguc2g706u47q3c61@4ax.com…
> > On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:32:19 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
> > >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
> > >news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
> > >> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
> > >> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
> > >> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
> > >> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
> > >> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
> > >> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
> > >I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA
> web
> > >site today.
> > >American Board of Medical Specialties Certification:
> > >Copyright 2004 American Board of Medical Specialties. All rights reserved.
> > >Internal Medicine
> > >Indicating he is board certified in Internal Medicine.
> >http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=220157/SESSION_…
> m_name=aps_result?action_detail.x=hello&row=0&key=0&amap=N&form_type=r&mem=N
> > >http://tinyurl.com/3vcgz
> > >If you want to disagree that is fine. But tell the truth.
> > >Bill
> > you left out the warning tag the ama attached.
> So did you. So I have no idea what you are talking about. Nevertheless, the
> site does indicate that he is board certified. Whereas you said
> "The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
> Which was untrue.
> Bill
> P.S. You might wish to check your spelling of "cardiology" in you list of sent
> to newsgroups. I have to keep changing it to be correct.
I believe the misspelling is intentional as a means of "hiding" his
posts from folks in SMC.
What he doesn’t seem to realize is that he can’t hide from God.
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On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 06:16:43 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
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<and…@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Bill wrote:
>> "Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:6jgtg09b3tbkrjnt7qguc2g706u47q3c61@4ax.com…
>> > On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:32:19 GMT, "Bill" <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
>> > >"Mäck©®" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
>> > >> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
>> > >> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
>> > >> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
>> > >> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
>> > >> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
>> > >> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
>> > >I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA
>> web
>> > >site today.
>> > >American Board of Medical Specialties Certification:
>> > >Copyright 2004 American Board of Medical Specialties. All rights reserved.
>> > >Internal Medicine
>> > >Indicating he is board certified in Internal Medicine.
>> >http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=220157/SESSION_…
>> m_name=aps_result?action_detail.x=hello&row=0&key=0&amap=N&form_type=r&mem=N
>> > >http://tinyurl.com/3vcgz
>> > >If you want to disagree that is fine. But tell the truth.
>> > >Bill
>> > you left out the warning tag the ama attached.
>> So did you. So I have no idea what you are talking about. Nevertheless, the
>> site does indicate that he is board certified. Whereas you said
>> "The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified."
>> Which was untrue.
>> Bill
>> P.S. You might wish to check your spelling of "cardiology" in you list of sent
>> to newsgroups. I have to keep changing it to be correct.
>I believe the misspelling is intentional as a means of "hiding" his
>posts from folks in SMC.
>What he doesn’t seem to realize is that he can’t hide from God.
sad truly sad that you think you are God’s voice and judge.
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>Servant to the sickest ego in the universe, my own,
>Andrew
"Chris Malcolm" <c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> In alt.support.diabetes Bill <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
> > "Mck" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
> > news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
> >> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
> >> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
> >> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
> >> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
> >> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
> >> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
> > I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA
web
> > site today.
> IMHO Chung is a good doctor who provides useful on-line medical
> information. He is well respected in the cardiology newsgroup. But
> he can’t resist replying to trolls and he can’t resist displaying his
> sincerely held religious beliefs which the trolls love to
> mock. Consequently he has gathered around him a flock of childish
> websnipes and trolls who follow him everywhere calling him names and
> throwing stones. I guess it’s the only thing in their miserable lives
> which allows them to feel important.
He’s also a flipping idiot about diet, which we’ve had cause to observe in
the diabetes newsgroups in the past. And given his triggering behavior
towards the trolls, they’re not the only ones who’ve found something to give
their left hands a night off.
Mäck©® <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message <news:rcqug052fbusadu17rpsd9b7d8b6ic5bic@4ax.com>…
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 06:16:43 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <and…@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >Bill wrote:
<snip>
> >> P.S. You might wish to check your spelling of "cardiology" in you list of sent
> >> to newsgroups. I have to keep changing it to be correct.
> >I believe the misspelling is intentional as a means of "hiding" his
> >posts from folks in SMC.
> >What he doesn’t seem to realize is that he can’t hide from God.
> sad truly sad that you think you are God’s voice and judge.
As if you knew what I think.
If you did, you wouldn’t be sad.
You remain in my prayers to God, in Christ’s name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable riches of His
everlasting kingdom.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
–
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"Hairy Antelope" <47oc0h…@sneakGnuemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 04:07:12 GMT, Bill wrote:
> > But they say that for every Dr. who lists a speciality.
> Ah, I didn’t know that …..
> >So what would be the point?
> I have to say "I have no idea" …. does seem a bit pointless, I suppose
this argument is truly idiotic.
dr. chung is double board certified in both internal medicine and
cardiology.
end of story.
http://www.abms.org/login.asp
registration is free. this is the authoritative source for ABMS board
certification verification.
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"Beachhouse" <sendnom…@please.com> wrote in message <news:ceo6b7$qku$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu>…
> "Hairy Antelope" <47oc0h…@sneakGnuemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1eu4xua7subfv.yfj2kbv7ofw0.dlg@40tude.net…
> > On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 04:07:12 GMT, Bill wrote:
> > > But they say that for every Dr. who lists a speciality.
> > Ah, I didn’t know that …..
> > >So what would be the point?
> > I have to say "I have no idea" …. does seem a bit pointless, I suppose
> this argument is truly idiotic.
> dr. chung is double board certified in both internal medicine and
> cardiology.
> end of story.
> http://www.abms.org/login.asp
> registration is free. this is the authoritative source for ABMS board
> certification verification.
Truth is simple.
Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.
Some people hate the truth.
For this they will remain in my prayers to God, in Christ’s name.
May they still someday accept Christ as their personal Lord and
Savior, so that they too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
riches of His everlasting kingdom.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
–
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In misc.health.diabetes Chris Malcolm <c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>IMHO Chung is a good doctor who provides useful on-line medical
>information. He is well respected in the cardiology newsgroup. But
>he can’t resist replying to trolls and he can’t resist displaying his
>sincerely held religious beliefs which the trolls love to
>mock. Consequently he has gathered around him a flock of childish
>websnipes and trolls who follow him everywhere calling him names and
>throwing stones. I guess it’s the only thing in their miserable lives
>which allows them to feel important.
Chris, he’s been trolling here in the diabetes groups longer than I’ve
been here, which is only 18 months.
Priscilla
nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote in message <news:9fcab6f7.0408031034.3b1ae541@posting.google.com>…
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> Truth is simple.
> Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.
> Some people hate the truth.
> For this they will remain in my prayers to God, in Christ’s name.
> May they still someday accept Christ as their personal Lord and
> Savior, so that they too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
> riches of His everlasting kingdom.
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
> Andrew
> —
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/
COMMENT:
Yes, truth is simple if you just label anything you feel an
"observation" and decide that makes it objectively real. But at this
point with you blathering about Jesus there’s no difference between
you and any quack talking about energy auras. You’re off your rocker.
SBH
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Steve Harris sbhar…@ROMAN9.netcom.com wrote:
> nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote in message <news:9fcab6f7.0408031034.3b1ae541@posting.google.com>…
> > Truth is simple.
> > Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.
> > Some people hate the truth.
> > For this they will remain in my prayers to God, in Christ’s name.
> > May they still someday accept Christ as their personal Lord and
> > Savior, so that they too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
> > riches of His everlasting kingdom.
> > Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
> > Andrew
> > —
> > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Board-Certified Cardiologist
> > http://www.heartmdphd.com/
> COMMENT:
> Yes, truth is simple if you just label anything you feel an
> "observation" and decide that makes it objectively real.
Truth is independent of either our observations or judgments.
> But at this
> point with you blathering about Jesus there’s no difference between
> you and any quack talking about energy auras. You’re off your rocker.
Are you asserting that a physician who is openly Christian is a "quack
talking about energy auras" ???
Just want to make sure you are clearly understood, Dr. Steven B. Harris,
MD.
Regardless of your apparent hatred of Christ, you remain in my prayers,
neighbor.
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Andrew
–
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Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
> In misc.health.diabetes Chris Malcolm <c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> >IMHO Chung is a good doctor who provides useful on-line medical
> >information. He is well respected in the cardiology newsgroup. But
> >he can’t resist replying to trolls and he can’t resist displaying his
> >sincerely held religious beliefs which the trolls love to
> >mock. Consequently he has gathered around him a flock of childish
> >websnipes and trolls who follow him everywhere calling him names and
> >throwing stones. I guess it’s the only thing in their miserable lives
> >which allows them to feel important.
> Chris, he’s been trolling here in the diabetes groups longer than I’ve
> been here, which is only 18 months.
You type well for an 18 month old.
> Priscilla
You will be in my prayers, neighbor.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will be healed and be given eternal life in His everlasting
kingdom.
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Mäck©® wrote:
> On 3 Aug 2004 06:39:28 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
> >Mäck©® <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message <news:rcqug052fbusadu17rpsd9b7d8b6ic5bic@4ax.com>…
> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 06:16:43 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> <and…@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >> >Bill wrote:
> ><snip>
> >> >> P.S. You might wish to check your spelling of "cardiology" in you list of sent
> >> >> to newsgroups. I have to keep changing it to be correct.
> >> >I believe the misspelling is intentional as a means of "hiding" his
> >> >posts from folks in SMC.
> >> >What he doesn’t seem to realize is that he can’t hide from God.
> >> sad truly sad that you think you are God’s voice and judge.
> >As if you knew what I think.
> and yet you pretend to know what I think.
Sorry God knowing what you think frightens you.
> >If you did, you wouldn’t be sad.
> your comprehension skills are very poor for someone who claims to have
> a PHD, where did you get it? a box of cracker jacks?
It seems you are projecting.
You remain in my prayers, neighbor.
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?N2E9210F8
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–
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> "Chris Malcolm" <c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:2n9209Fu8vnsU1@uni-berlin.de…
> > In alt.support.diabetes Bill <x…@yy.zz> wrote:
> > > "Mck" <nos…@invalid.com> wrote in message
> > > news:usctg0tpnc9vmr0stuhcmsvim2quh4ka36@4ax.com…
> > >> On 1 Aug 2004 14:56:49 -0700, nosp…@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
> > >> Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
> > >> troll crap snipped, following the medical advice of the mudungchung
> > >> could cost you your life. he had to leave florida after getting fired
> > >> when his victims complained, in order to keep his GP MD’s license.
> > >> The AMA tags his status as NOT board certified.
> > > I don’t know why you guys have to lie about him. I took this off the AMA
> web
> > > site today.
> > IMHO Chung is a good doctor who provides useful on-line medical
> > information. He is well respected in the cardiology newsgroup. But
> > he can’t resist replying to trolls and he can’t resist displaying his
> > sincerely held religious beliefs which the trolls love to
> > mock. Consequently he has gathered around him a flock of childish
> > websnipes and trolls who follow him everywhere calling him names and
> > throwing stones. I guess it’s the only thing in their miserable lives
> > which allows them to feel important.
> He’s also a flipping idiot about diet,
Sorry you don’t like the 2PD Approach (shrug).
Post your address and I promise to send your money back to you.
> which we’ve had cause to observe in
> the diabetes newsgroups in the past.
Yes, the 2PD Approach has been discussed before in the diabetes
newsgroups.
Care to open up the discussion again to see if you fare any better than
before?
> And given his triggering behavior
> towards the trolls,
Are you a troll?
> they’re not the only ones who’ve found something to give
> their left hands a night off.
Nice imagery.
You will remain in my prayers, neighbor.
To keep this on-topic for diabetes… here is a worthy diabetes charity:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N2E9210F8
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Andrew
–
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Reality check here, Mr. Chung is not followed by his critics, he adds
newsgroups to messages originating in one group and intrudes into those he
adds. If he gets critical response it is because he went to groups by
crossposting at the action of his own hands. Most of the critical
reaction is not religious at first, it is when he at first critical
reaction claims to be a victum because of his religious sig lines, he is
the one who brings religion into the discussion. This is often a
deflection ploy when he wants to avoid the central point of a message
where he comes out seond best. Then his forced use of religion as an now
absurb excuse for his boorish web behavior becomes the theme. Some people
accept him as victum and then react in defense, something on which he
counts in order to make the deflection ploy work. Even those who hold
equally stron religious faith get the same response from him, which makes
it by definition a lie on his part. Just to set the record straight.
use…@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in message <news:sKK9X11hkvy0@Tn747b8nTUEYxT>…
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> Diabetes: price of progress
> Changed lifestyle and food habits of a rural population
> have increased the incidence of diabetes three fold in 14
> years. First proof that lifestyle does not insulate the
> rural population.
> By R. Prasad
> The Hindu
> Thursday, July 15, 2004
> GIVE A villager a motorised transport, electricity, piped
> water supply, television, and food containing more of
> carbohydrate, protein and fat. "The chances are that the
> villager will invariably be afflicted with diabetes,"
> said, Dr. A. Ramachandran, Managing Director of the
> Chennai based M.V. Hospital for Diabetes. While progress
> is welcome, what comes with it unasked are the diseases
> of urbanised lifestyle. "The transition from a typical
> rural to urban lifestyle carries its own baggage of
> problems. Diabetes is one of them. It is a disease of
> progress," he explained.
> He should know better. A study of a rural area 40 kms
> from Chennai in 1989 showed the prevalence of diabetes
> hovering around 2.20 per cent. Typical of a rural area
> where manual labour, physical exercise and low
> fat/carbohydrate food ruled. The incidence has now shot
> up to 6.36 per cent when the disease prevalence was
> studied after a span of 14 years.The village is still
> typically rural but has all the fringes of an urbanised
> setting," he explained.
> The study proves conclusively what was widely believed.
> Changes in lifestyle and food habits have gone a long way
> in increasing the incidence level. For instance, women
> were found to confine themselves to household work and
> shun manual work that was very common 14 years ago.
> Similarly, food habits changed from ragi and vegetables
> to carbohydrate and fat filled food. Add to this, better
> facilities ? like motorised transport and piped water ?
> which mimic urban life. And the concoction has proved an
> ideal setting for diabetes prevalence to shoot up.
> "But even here the prevalence is a meagre 2.80 per cent
> in those who are still engaged in strenuous physical
> activity compared to 48.3 per cent living a near
> sedentary life," Dr. Ramachandran pointed out. Lack of
> physical exercise and consumption of fat filled food have
> had a telling effect on the Body Mass Index (BMI) of both
> the sexes. In the case of men, the BMI had increased from
> 17.60 to 20.70, waist girth from 71.4 to 79.9 in a span
> of 14 years.
> Though a BMI of 20.7 is much lower than the international
> cut off level of 25 to be labelled as obese, studies have
> conclusively proved that Indians with BMI of over 23 are
> obese. It has been conclusively proved that even small
> changes in the BMI could tilt the balance. "This is
> basically because we have higher upper-body adiposity
> even when we have lean body mass," Dr. Ramachandran
> explained.
> To the uninitiated, Indians have a high propensity to
> develop higher upper-body adiposity, particularly central
> obesity. And central obesity (in the form of huge paunch)
> is strongly associated with glucose intolerance than
> generalised obesity. For a given BMI, Indians have a
> higher degree of central adiposity. Blame it on central
> obesity, Indians are prone to become diabetic even when
> not obese in the literal sense.
> This predisposition to accumulate fat in the central
> region of the body (in the stomach region) is in the form
> of visceral fat. And visceral fat, in contrast to
> subcutaneous fat, does more damage as it leads to insulin
> resistance. In other words, it prevents the intake of
> glucose by the cells. "But we have found that
> subcutaneous fat is also responsible for developing
> insulin resistance," he clarified. The study involved
> studying the role of visceral and subcutaneous fat non-
> diabetics using CAT scans.
> According to Dr. Ramachandran, insulin resistance is a
> characteristic feature of Indians. And for any given BMI,
> Indians tend to have higher insulin levels, indicating
> the pronounced insulin resistance (peripheral). "Insulin
> resistance tends to worsen with small increase in weight
> and lack of physical activity," he elaborated.
> Studies done have conclusively shown that even
> individuals with ideal BMI tend to have body fat
> comparable to overweight westerners. The low muscle-mass
> and excess body fat contribute greatly to the propensity
> to develop diabetes. Hence any weight gain even within
> the ideal levels of body mass index can put the person at
> risk. The instance of villagers studied by Dr.
> Ramachandran who are well below 23 (BMI) is a classic
> example.
> There is a silver lining though. If an incremental
> increase in body weight tends to put the individual at
> risk (of developing diabetes), small loss in weight does
> wonders. It reduces the risk appreciably. It works both
> ways.
Enter the 2PD Approach:
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Andrew
–
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