Mozz wrote:
> ‘The use of Meditation for healing is not new. Meditative techniques
> are the product of diverse cultures and peoples around the world. It
> has been rooted in the traditions of the world’s great religions. In
> fact, practically all religious groups practice meditation in one form
> or another.
Christians call it prayer.
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> The value of Meditation to alleviate suffering and promote
> healing has been known and practiced for thousands of years.
> In spite of its rich history and traditions, it is only during the
> past three decades that scientific study has focused on the clinical
> effects of meditation on health. During the 1960s, reports reached the
> West of yogis and meditation masters in India who could perform
> extraordinary feats of bodily control and altered states of
> consciousness. These reports captured the interest of Western
> researchers studying self-regulation and the possibility of voluntary
> control over the autonomic nervous system. At the same time, new
> refinements in scientific instrumentation made it possible to
> duplicate and substantiate some of these reports at medical research
> institutes. Health care professionals who were often dissatisfied with
> the side effects of drug treatments for stress-related disorders
> embraced meditation as a valuable tool for stress reduction, and today
> both patients and physicians enjoy the health benefits of regular
> meditation practice.
Yes, prayer works.
> He discovered by studying various yogis and longtime meditators that
> the meditation process counteracted the effects of the sympathetic
> nervous system-the one that wants to fight or flee. Whereas the
> sympathetic system dilates the pupils and gets the heart rate,
> respiration, and blood pressure up, the parasympathetic system,
> activated when we meditate, does just the opposite. Muscle tension
> decreases, blood pressure drops, and for some extraordinary
> practitioners, even temperature and basal metabolism rates drop during
> a prolonged meditation. Oxygen needs of the body are reduced when you
> are in a highly relaxed state, and brain waves change from the busy
> beta-waves to the blissful alpha waves.’
When they pray, Christians also enjoy the added benefit of God’s
blessings for themselves and others on top of the stress reduction that
occurs with meditation. Such benefits would be expected to help folks
with complications arising from either diabetes or obesity making this
discussion on-topic for all NGs receiving this thread.
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> Mozz wrote:
> > ‘The use of Meditation for healing is not new. Meditative techniques
> > are the product of diverse cultures and peoples around the world. It
> > has been rooted in the traditions of the world’s great religions. In
> > fact, practically all religious groups practice meditation in one form
> > or another.
> Christians call it prayer.
Is prayer and mediation the same thing? I believe they are similar, but not
identical.
(…)
> When they pray, Christians also enjoy the added benefit of God’s
> blessings for themselves and others on top of the stress reduction that
> occurs with meditation. Such benefits would be expected to help folks
> with complications arising from either diabetes or obesity making this
> discussion on-topic for all NGs receiving this thread.
This is a science group. Can you please give proof of this? Not your
beliefs, but proof. So the Bible is out, unless you can demostrate in a
scientific way that the Bible in this matter is true.
Perhaps peer-reviewed articles that show that is God’s intervention, rather
than just belief or meditation that is doing this.
I understand there are articles that show that people who live thier lives
according to their beliefs live longer (e.g., Christians going to church,
giving to charity, etc.). This includes athiests who do whatever athiests
are supposed to do.
Jeff
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Jeff wrote:
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and…@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:4132341C.2E08@heartmdphd.com…
> > Mozz wrote:
> > > ‘The use of Meditation for healing is not new. Meditative techniques
> > > are the product of diverse cultures and peoples around the world. It
> > > has been rooted in the traditions of the world’s great religions. In
> > > fact, practically all religious groups practice meditation in one form
> > > or another.
> > Christians call it prayer.
> Is prayer and mediation the same thing?
Prayer is meditation *plus* the potential for divine intervention.
> I believe they are similar, but not
> identical.
I agree with your belief.
> (…)
> > When they pray, Christians also enjoy the added benefit of God’s
> > blessings for themselves and others on top of the stress reduction that
> > occurs with meditation. Such benefits would be expected to help folks
> > with complications arising from either diabetes or obesity making this
> > discussion on-topic for all NGs receiving this thread.
> This is a science group. Can you please give proof of this?
Looking ahead, you do not want God’s Word on this which for me is
proof. However, I can provide scientific evidence of this and as is the
nature of scientific evidence, this will fall short of proof.
> Not your
> beliefs, but proof.
The Word of God is not my belief but rather is proof.
> So the Bible is out,
Then you do not want proof.
> unless you can demostrate in a
> scientific way that the Bible in this matter is true.
The Bible in all matters is true:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
serves as an illustrative example.
> Perhaps peer-reviewed articles that show that is God’s intervention, rather
> than just belief or meditation that is doing this.
Ok, here’s one of many:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K1EA25A29
> I understand there are articles that show that people who live thier lives
> according to their beliefs live longer (e.g., Christians going to church,
> giving to charity, etc.). This includes athiests who do whatever athiests
> are supposed to do.
The above cited article should serve well to enlighten you.
> Jeff
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.
Please consider the following to save yourself:
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> Jeff wrote:
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and…@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > news:4132341C.2E08@heartmdphd.com…
> > > Mozz wrote:
> > > > ‘The use of Meditation for healing is not new. Meditative techniques
> > > > are the product of diverse cultures and peoples around the world. It
> > > > has been rooted in the traditions of the world’s great religions. In
> > > > fact, practically all religious groups practice meditation in one
form
> > > > or another.
> > > Christians call it prayer.
> > Is prayer and mediation the same thing?
> Prayer is meditation *plus* the potential for divine intervention.
> > I believe they are similar, but not
> > identical.
> I agree with your belief.
> > (…)
> > > When they pray, Christians also enjoy the added benefit of God’s
> > > blessings for themselves and others on top of the stress reduction
that
> > > occurs with meditation. Such benefits would be expected to help folks
> > > with complications arising from either diabetes or obesity making this
> > > discussion on-topic for all NGs receiving this thread.
> > This is a science group. Can you please give proof of this?
> Looking ahead, you do not want God’s Word on this which for me is
> proof. However, I can provide scientific evidence of this and as is the
> nature of scientific evidence, this will fall short of proof.
> > Not your
> > beliefs, but proof.
> The Word of God is not my belief but rather is proof.
> > So the Bible is out,
> Then you do not want proof.
> > unless you can demostrate in a
> > scientific way that the Bible in this matter is true.
> The Bible in all matters is true:
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
> serves as an illustrative example.
how can it be true in all matters? What about the internal conflicts, like
two different genesis stories?
I think there are around 50 of these.
However, you just showed this is not a science discussion. If the Bible is
true in all matters, then it is a matter for religion, and not science. They
are different area of thought. Read Stephen J. Gould’s book Rock of Ages.
> > Perhaps peer-reviewed articles that show that is God’s intervention,
rather
> > than just belief or meditation that is doing this.
> Ok, here’s one of many:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?K1EA25A29
One of many? How many?
How about this one?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&…
maybe the mayo clinic people sinned more?
How about the ones that didn’t get published?
> > I understand there are articles that show that people who live thier
lives
> > according to their beliefs live longer (e.g., Christians going to
church,
> > giving to charity, etc.). This includes athiests who do whatever
athiests
> > are supposed to do.
> The above cited article should serve well to enlighten you.
One article. Come on.
> > Jeff
> You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.
> Please consider the following to save yourself:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
No thanks.
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> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
> Andrew
> —
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/
> **
> Who is the humblest person in the universe?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2…@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:cgtg43$1k@library1.airnews.net>…
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and…@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:4132341C.2E08@heartmdphd.com…
> > Mozz wrote:
> > > ‘The use of Meditation for healing is not new. Meditative techniques
> > > are the product of diverse cultures and peoples around the world. It
> > > has been rooted in the traditions of the world’s great religions. In
> > > fact, practically all religious groups practice meditation in one form
> > > or another.
> > Christians call it prayer.
> Is prayer and mediation the same thing? I believe they are similar, but not
> identical.
Herbert Benson and Larry Leshan both have developed meditation
techniques that are not actually prayer and are not religious.
Benson’s is more scientific/mainstream, and called the "relaxation
response." I always wondered why things like that were not widely
practiced, since studies showed years ago they are very effective. I
stopped simply because of lack of a support network to continue.
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Jeff wrote:
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and…@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:413277EF.5E1F@heartmdphd.com…
> > Jeff wrote:
> > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and…@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > > news:4132341C.2E08@heartmdphd.com…
> > > > Mozz wrote:
> > > > > ‘The use of Meditation for healing is not new. Meditative techniques
> > > > > are the product of diverse cultures and peoples around the world. It
> > > > > has been rooted in the traditions of the world’s great religions. In
> > > > > fact, practically all religious groups practice meditation in one
> form
> > > > > or another.
> > > > Christians call it prayer.
> > > Is prayer and mediation the same thing?
> > Prayer is meditation *plus* the potential for divine intervention.
> > > I believe they are similar, but not
> > > identical.
> > I agree with your belief.
> > > (…)
> > > > When they pray, Christians also enjoy the added benefit of God’s
> > > > blessings for themselves and others on top of the stress reduction
> that
> > > > occurs with meditation. Such benefits would be expected to help folks
> > > > with complications arising from either diabetes or obesity making this
> > > > discussion on-topic for all NGs receiving this thread.
> > > This is a science group. Can you please give proof of this?
> > Looking ahead, you do not want God’s Word on this which for me is
> > proof. However, I can provide scientific evidence of this and as is the
> > nature of scientific evidence, this will fall short of proof.
> > > Not your
> > > beliefs, but proof.
> > The Word of God is not my belief but rather is proof.
> > > So the Bible is out,
> > Then you do not want proof.
> > > unless you can demostrate in a
> > > scientific way that the Bible in this matter is true.
> > The Bible in all matters is true:
> > http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
> > serves as an illustrative example.
> how can it be true in all matters?
The Bible is God’s Word…. and God is the way, the truth, and the life.
> What about the internal conflicts, like
> two different genesis stories?
What specifically are you referring to?
> I think there are around 50 of these.
Go ahead a pick one that bothers you and we can certainly discuss it.
> However, you just showed this is not a science discussion. If the Bible is
> true in all matters, then it is a matter for religion, and not science.
When you asked for proof about the power of prayer, you asked for
information from the realm of religion.
> They
> are different area of thought. Read Stephen J. Gould’s book Rock of Ages.
> > > Perhaps peer-reviewed articles that show that is God’s intervention,
> rather
> > > than just belief or meditation that is doing this.
> > Ok, here’s one of many:
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?K1EA25A29
> One of many?
Yes.
> How many?
Click on the "related articles" link from pubmed for an estimate.
> How about this one?
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&…
> maybe the mayo clinic people sinned more?
… it is not clear they prayed to God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).
> How about the ones that didn’t get published?
Non-published data is regarded in the same fashion as for other areas of
scientific inquiry.
> > > I understand there are articles that show that people who live thier
> lives
> > > according to their beliefs live longer (e.g., Christians going to
> church,
> > > giving to charity, etc.). This includes athiests who do whatever
> athiests
> > > are supposed to do.
> > The above cited article should serve well to enlighten you.
> One article. Come on.
The study is well done and does compel folks to objectively reject the
null hypothesis.
> > > Jeff
> > You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.
> > Please consider the following to save yourself:
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> No thanks.
Your informed choice.
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
–
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
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