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Re: Help! Glucophage & Peripheral Neuropathy

Blake Wilfong (bl…@phoenix.phoenix.net) wrote:

: My mother has been on Glucophage for four months.  Her blood glucose
: levels have improved greatly–to normal nondiabetic levels–yet her
: peripheral neuropathy has accelerated markedly, causing loss of sensation
: in her feet, loss of balance, and burning.  She already uses B vitamins.

I’ve been on Glucophage since June, with the same excellent results
in controlling bg’s. I found that when Glucophage was the sole medication
I was taking, neuropathy seemed somewhat improved. For a brief period,
(only about a week), I was taking Lopid for triglycerides. The combination
of Glucophage and Lopid threw bg’s completely out of control (worse than
ever for me), and the neuropathy became MARKEDLY more severe. All this
within a matter of two or three DAYS. Fortunately, I had the same rapid
turn-around when I ceased taking the Lopid. BG’s back to normal, and
significant improvement with the neuropathy. So, if she is taking any
other medications concurrently, this could be a path to investigate. Also,
as I am writing this, I am reminded of the fact that the neuropathy was
aggravated significantly when first getting the bg’s under control with
insulin. So apparently the body has to get used to normal bg’s again when
attaining control. Such has been my experience. YMMV.

: Has anyone heard any reports that Glucophage has no effect on (or even
: worsens) peripheral neuropathy?  Does anyone have any suggestions for her?

: Thanks in advance for any advice/information.

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: Blake Wilfong  bl…@phoenix.net  Houston, TX  DHT DOOM Master
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Jim MacKelvey

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  1. admin says:

    My mother has been on Glucophage for four months.  Her blood glucose
    levels have improved greatly–to normal nondiabetic levels–yet her
    peripheral neuropathy has accelerated markedly, causing loss of sensation
    in her feet, loss of balance, and burning.  She already uses B vitamins.

    Has anyone heard any reports that Glucophage has no effect on (or even
    worsens) peripheral neuropathy?  Does anyone have any suggestions for her?

    Thanks in advance for any advice/information.

    ————————————————————–
    Blake Wilfong  bl…@phoenix.net  Houston, TX  DHT DOOM Master
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  2. admin says:

    bl…@phoenix.phoenix.net (Blake Wilfong) writes:
    >My mother has been on Glucophage for four months.  Her blood glucose
    >levels have improved greatly–to normal nondiabetic levels–yet her
    >peripheral neuropathy has accelerated markedly, causing loss of sensation
    >in her feet, loss of balance, and burning.  She already uses B vitamins.
    >Has anyone heard any reports that Glucophage has no effect on (or even
    >worsens) peripheral neuropathy?  Does anyone have any suggestions for her?
    >Thanks in advance for any advice/information.
    >————————————————————–
    >Blake Wilfong  bl…@phoenix.net  Houston, TX  DHT DOOM Master
    >————————————————————–

    increased neuropathic activity correlates with decreased growth-factor
    activity – (insulin-like-growth-factors I & II; nerve-growth-factor) _
    see (Ishii, 1995).

    decreased growth-factor activity correlates with reduced insulin activity.

    reduced insulin activity correlates with dieting.  did your mother lose
    weight whilst on Glucophage?  if so, the remedy is clear – lose weight
    slower.

    if not, we are left with the slow, inexorable march of neuropathy due to
    endoneural hypoxia.  about which, things can be done. (endoneural hypoxia
    is cased by the oxygen-starvation and subsequent death of nerves due to
    a failure of the micro-circulatory system.  due to a chronic shortage of
    prostacyclin, the oxygen-bearing blood corpuscles lose their deformability
    and become brittle – thus losing their ability to physically squeeze through
    small capillaries – hence the failure of the blood’s oxygen-delivery system
    at the micro-circulatory level).

    a "cure" of this specific woe would involve the repair of the prostacyclin
    production mechanism and that would probably involve genetic repair of the
    impaired fatty-acid metabolism that diabetics are heir to. but not today.

    however, a remedy is at hand in the form of the prescription drug Trental
    (pentoxiphylline) which, amongst other things, increases the amount of
    prostacyclin released where it is needed. By all (anecdotal) accounts,
    Trental seems to command a massively positive approval amongst users.
    hopefully your mother’s, physician will also be aware of it’s manifold
    benefits in diabetic neuropathy / vascular insufficiency / peripheral
    arterial disease.  if not, a Medline search could settle that issue
    real quickly.

    the vitamin supplementation could be expanded to include vitamin e
    at about 400iu per day (see: Ceriello, 1991) and alpha-lipoic acid
    (aka thioctic acid) at 50mg – 100mg daily (see: Busse, 1992).

    a substance showing great promise is acetyl-L-carnitine.(see: Lowitt, 1995).
    most of the research involves the injectable form and how this translates
    to the oral forms (which is vitamin-store available) is unknown to me.

    i hope that some of the above is of use to you.

    References:

    E. Busse et al; Influence of alpha-lipoic acid on intracellular glutathione
     in vitro and in vivo; Drug Res. 42(1), Nr. 6(1992); p829-831.

    A. Ceriello et al; Vitamin E reduction of protein glycosylation in diabetics;
     Diabetes Care, 14(1),1991; 68-72.

    S. Lowitt et al; Acetyl-L-carnitine corrects the altered peripheral nerve
     function of experimental diabetes; Metabolism 44(5),1995: 677-680.

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