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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;In article &lt;1splvtINN...@lynx.unm.edu&gt; kkess...@leo.unm.edu (Whiskeyjack) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;In article &lt;1993May10.204026.19...@samba.oit.unc.edu&gt;, di...@ils.unc.edu (Lisa DiIorio) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; Father - adult-onset (40 years of age), now 3 shots a day &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; Maternal grandmother - adult-onset (35 years of age), brittle diabetic 3+ &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &#160; shots a day &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; several aunts with gestational diabetes &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; other great aunts and uncles with adult onset &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; Am I doomed? &#160;Is it already too late to prevent (24 years old) or should I &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; start managing as if I have type II? &lt;br /&gt; &gt;As I believe has already been pointed out, the exact causes of NIDDM are &lt;br /&gt; &gt;uncertain. &#160;Monozygotic twin studies suggest that it&#039;s highly genetic but &lt;br /&gt; &gt;with an environmental &#039;trigger&#039; necessary to send it into diabetes. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;(By the way -- I&#039;m in the same boat, all of my maternal relatives for 3 &lt;br /&gt; &gt;generations have developed some form of NIDDM) &lt;br /&gt; &gt;If it makes you feel better, you are much more likely to develop diabetes if &lt;br /&gt; &gt;your mother, rather than your father was diabetic. &#160;(If she was diabetic or &lt;br /&gt; &gt;pre-diabetic at the time, anyway). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Well, I seem to have it only on my father&#039;s side. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;While not all diabetics are obese, it is a contributing factor. &#160;Also, the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;type of obesity seems to have an effect. &#160;&quot;apple-shaped&quot; people are more likely &lt;br /&gt; &gt;to develop diabetes than &quot;pear-shaped&quot; people (as well as a host of other &lt;br /&gt; &gt;medical problems). &lt;br /&gt; &gt;I suppose your best bet would be to watch your weight and try to not stress &lt;br /&gt; &gt;out your system too much (ie don&#039;t forget to eat for 24 hours then eat a box &lt;br /&gt; &gt;of oreos). &#160;Several cultures, such as the Pima and the Nauru had low incidence &lt;br /&gt; &gt;of diabetes until they started eating western high-sugar, high-carbohydrate &lt;br /&gt; &gt;foods. &#160;Those groups now have the dubious honor of having the highest rates &lt;br /&gt; &gt;of NIDDM in the world -- about 40%. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;As far as watching your weight, I agree. &#160;There are tests for increased &lt;br /&gt; production of insulin due to insulin resistance, well before clinical &lt;br /&gt; Type II develops. &#160;It would be necessary to consult an expert on the &lt;br /&gt; problem. &#160;Also, not all diabetes as adults is Type II. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A correction is in order on the diet change of the Pima Indians, and the &lt;br /&gt; conclusions drawn. &#160;Their original diet, while not high-sugar, was high &lt;br /&gt; in carbohydrates, and as far as affecting blood glucose levels, easily &lt;br /&gt; processed starch is almost as bad as glucose, and is worse than common &lt;br /&gt; table sugar. &#160;Their are suggestions that it is instead the high-fat &lt;br /&gt; diet which is the problem. &#160; &lt;br /&gt; -- &lt;br /&gt; Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 &lt;br /&gt; Phone: (317)494-6054 &lt;br /&gt; hru...@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) &#160; &lt;br /&gt; {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP) &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>In article &lt;1splvtINN&#8230;@lynx.unm.edu&gt; <a href="mailto:kkess...@leo.unm.edu">kkess&#8230;@leo.unm.edu</a> (Whiskeyjack) writes: <br /> &gt;In article &lt;1993May10.204026.19&#8230;@samba.oit.unc.edu&gt;, <a href="mailto:di...@ils.unc.edu">di&#8230;@ils.unc.edu</a> (Lisa DiIorio) writes: <br /> &gt;&gt; Father &#8211; adult-onset (40 years of age), now 3 shots a day <br /> &gt;&gt; Maternal grandmother &#8211; adult-onset (35 years of age), brittle diabetic 3+ <br /> &gt;&gt; &nbsp; shots a day <br /> &gt;&gt; several aunts with gestational diabetes <br /> &gt;&gt; other great aunts and uncles with adult onset <br /> &gt;&gt; Am I doomed? &nbsp;Is it already too late to prevent (24 years old) or should I <br /> &gt;&gt; start managing as if I have type II? <br /> &gt;As I believe has already been pointed out, the exact causes of NIDDM are <br /> &gt;uncertain. &nbsp;Monozygotic twin studies suggest that it&#8217;s highly genetic but <br /> &gt;with an environmental &#8216;trigger&#8217; necessary to send it into diabetes. <br /> &gt;(By the way &#8212; I&#8217;m in the same boat, all of my maternal relatives for 3 <br /> &gt;generations have developed some form of NIDDM) <br /> &gt;If it makes you feel better, you are much more likely to develop diabetes if <br /> &gt;your mother, rather than your father was diabetic. &nbsp;(If she was diabetic or <br /> &gt;pre-diabetic at the time, anyway). </p>
<p>Well, I seem to have it only on my father&#8217;s side. <br /> 
<p>&gt;While not all diabetics are obese, it is a contributing factor. &nbsp;Also, the <br /> &gt;type of obesity seems to have an effect. &nbsp;&quot;apple-shaped&quot; people are more likely <br /> &gt;to develop diabetes than &quot;pear-shaped&quot; people (as well as a host of other <br /> &gt;medical problems). <br /> &gt;I suppose your best bet would be to watch your weight and try to not stress <br /> &gt;out your system too much (ie don&#8217;t forget to eat for 24 hours then eat a box <br /> &gt;of oreos). &nbsp;Several cultures, such as the Pima and the Nauru had low incidence <br /> &gt;of diabetes until they started eating western high-sugar, high-carbohydrate <br /> &gt;foods. &nbsp;Those groups now have the dubious honor of having the highest rates <br /> &gt;of NIDDM in the world &#8212; about 40%. </p>
<p>As far as watching your weight, I agree. &nbsp;There are tests for increased <br /> production of insulin due to insulin resistance, well before clinical <br /> Type II develops. &nbsp;It would be necessary to consult an expert on the <br /> problem. &nbsp;Also, not all diabetes as adults is Type II.  </p>
<p>A correction is in order on the diet change of the Pima Indians, and the <br /> conclusions drawn. &nbsp;Their original diet, while not high-sugar, was high <br /> in carbohydrates, and as far as affecting blood glucose levels, easily <br /> processed starch is almost as bad as glucose, and is worse than common <br /> table sugar. &nbsp;Their are suggestions that it is instead the high-fat <br /> diet which is the problem. &nbsp; <br /> &#8212; <br /> Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 <br /> Phone: (317)494-6054 <br /> <a href="mailto:hru...@snap.stat.purdue.edu">hru&#8230;@snap.stat.purdue.edu</a> (Internet, bitnet) &nbsp; <br /> {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP) </p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;In article &lt;1993May10.204026.19...@samba.oit.unc.edu&gt;, di...@ils.unc.edu (Lisa DiIorio) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Father - adult-onset (40 years of age), now 3 shots a day &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Maternal grandmother - adult-onset (35 years of age), brittle diabetic 3+ &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160; shots a day &lt;br /&gt; &gt; several aunts with gestational diabetes &lt;br /&gt; &gt; other great aunts and uncles with adult onset &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Am I doomed? &#160;Is it already too late to prevent (24 years old) or should I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; start managing as if I have type II? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;As I believe has already been pointed out, the exact causes of NIDDM are &lt;br /&gt; uncertain. &#160;Monozygotic twin studies suggest that it&#039;s highly genetic but &lt;br /&gt; with an environmental &#039;trigger&#039; necessary to send it into diabetes. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(By the way -- I&#039;m in the same boat, all of my maternal relatives for 3 &lt;br /&gt; generations have developed some form of NIDDM) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If it makes you feel better, you are much more likely to develop diabetes if &lt;br /&gt; your mother, rather than your father was diabetic. &#160;(If she was diabetic or &lt;br /&gt; pre-diabetic at the time, anyway). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;While not all diabetics are obese, it is a contributing factor. &#160;Also, the &lt;br /&gt; type of obesity seems to have an effect. &#160;&quot;apple-shaped&quot; people are more likely &lt;br /&gt; to develop diabetes than &quot;pear-shaped&quot; people (as well as a host of other &lt;br /&gt; medical problems). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I suppose your best bet would be to watch your weight and try to not stress &lt;br /&gt; out your system too much (ie don&#039;t forget to eat for 24 hours then eat a box &lt;br /&gt; of oreos). &#160;Several cultures, such as the Pima and the Nauru had low incidence &lt;br /&gt; of diabetes until they started eating western high-sugar, high-carbohydrate &lt;br /&gt; foods. &#160;Those groups now have the dubious honor of having the highest rates &lt;br /&gt; of NIDDM in the world -- about 40%. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Good Luck &lt;br /&gt; Karen Kessler &lt;br /&gt; kkess...@carina.unm.edu &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;1993May10.204026.19&#8230;@samba.oit.unc.edu&gt;, <a href="mailto:di...@ils.unc.edu">di&#8230;@ils.unc.edu</a> (Lisa DiIorio) writes: <br /> &gt; Father &#8211; adult-onset (40 years of age), now 3 shots a day <br /> &gt; Maternal grandmother &#8211; adult-onset (35 years of age), brittle diabetic 3+ <br /> &gt; &nbsp; shots a day <br /> &gt; several aunts with gestational diabetes <br /> &gt; other great aunts and uncles with adult onset  </p>
<p>&gt; Am I doomed? &nbsp;Is it already too late to prevent (24 years old) or should I <br /> &gt; start managing as if I have type II? </p>
<p>As I believe has already been pointed out, the exact causes of NIDDM are <br /> uncertain. &nbsp;Monozygotic twin studies suggest that it&#8217;s highly genetic but <br /> with an environmental &#8216;trigger&#8217; necessary to send it into diabetes.  </p>
<p>(By the way &#8212; I&#8217;m in the same boat, all of my maternal relatives for 3 <br /> generations have developed some form of NIDDM)  </p>
<p>If it makes you feel better, you are much more likely to develop diabetes if <br /> your mother, rather than your father was diabetic. &nbsp;(If she was diabetic or <br /> pre-diabetic at the time, anyway).  </p>
<p>While not all diabetics are obese, it is a contributing factor. &nbsp;Also, the <br /> type of obesity seems to have an effect. &nbsp;&quot;apple-shaped&quot; people are more likely <br /> to develop diabetes than &quot;pear-shaped&quot; people (as well as a host of other <br /> medical problems).  </p>
<p>I suppose your best bet would be to watch your weight and try to not stress <br /> out your system too much (ie don&#8217;t forget to eat for 24 hours then eat a box <br /> of oreos). &nbsp;Several cultures, such as the Pima and the Nauru had low incidence <br /> of diabetes until they started eating western high-sugar, high-carbohydrate <br /> foods. &nbsp;Those groups now have the dubious honor of having the highest rates <br /> of NIDDM in the world &#8212; about 40%.  </p>
<p>Good Luck <br /> Karen Kessler <br /> <a href="mailto:kkess...@carina.unm.edu">kkess&#8230;@carina.unm.edu</a> </p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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  In article &lt;1993May10.204026.19...@samba.oit.unc.edu&gt; di...@ils.unc.edu (Lisa DiIorio) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Here&#039;s my situation - &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;(family history with lots of type II cases) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;Am I doomed? &#160;Is it already too late to prevent (24 years old) or should I &lt;br /&gt; &gt;start managing as if I have type II? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Just three little words...Control...Your...Weight... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Do this, and the odds are in your favor. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; Steve Kirchoefer &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; (202) 767-2862 &lt;br /&gt; Code 6851 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;kirchoe...@estd.nrl.navy.mil &lt;br /&gt; Naval Research Laboratory &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Microwave Technology Branch &lt;br /&gt; Washington, DC &#160;20375-5347 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Electronics Sci. and Tech. Division &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;1993May10.204026.19&#8230;@samba.oit.unc.edu&gt; <a href="mailto:di...@ils.unc.edu">di&#8230;@ils.unc.edu</a> (Lisa DiIorio) writes: <br /> &gt;Here&#8217;s my situation &#8211; </p>
<p>(family history with lots of type II cases) <br /> 
<p>&gt;Am I doomed? &nbsp;Is it already too late to prevent (24 years old) or should I <br /> &gt;start managing as if I have type II? </p>
<p>Just three little words&#8230;Control&#8230;Your&#8230;Weight&#8230;  </p>
<p>Do this, and the odds are in your favor.  </p>
<p>&#8211; <br /> Steve Kirchoefer &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (202) 767-2862 <br /> Code 6851 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;kirchoe&#8230;@estd.nrl.navy.mil <br /> Naval Research Laboratory &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Microwave Technology Branch <br /> Washington, DC &nbsp;20375-5347 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Electronics Sci. and Tech. Division </p>
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