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In article <817491290.23…@japhet.demon.co.uk>,
aub…@japhet.demon.co.uk (Aubrey Jacobus) says:
>Does this newsgroup cover this condition ?
I have the same question! Hypoglycaemia can turn to diabetes.
For years I had unexplained symptoms of sudden total draining away of
all energy accompanied with a deep deep feeling of depression and a
feeling of starvation so I would when I had gathered the strength
frantically eat something – it was not always possible to find
something to eat immediately . I would sit down and the weakness would
usually pass.It did not seem to happen if I fasted.
I am 69 and the problem was happening more regularly almost daily at
about 90 minutes after breakfast it would hit.For the first time in my
life I wanted to sleep during the day.
I had some tests including a glucose test that involved taking blood
saples after drinking glucose. I was told that my blood sugar showed a
slightly abnormal blip and I may have hypoglycaemia. The dietician
suggested I cut out jam from my breakfast toast and eat a banana mid –
morning. the doc said it could develop into Diabetes .
Can someone tell me
a. Do these symptoms square with the diagnosis.
b. If so can I avoid the bouts of weakness/depression occuring
c. How.
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In article <817653907.13…@japhet.demon.co.uk>,
aub…@japhet.demon.co.uk (Aubrey Jacobus) says:
I have had always had hypoglycaemia to some degree. It hit hard at about
age 24.
These are some thing that I have noticed:
I always eat breakfast same time, same thing everyday. (7:30)
I will get the shakes the same time everyday – 10:30-10:00 and 3:30-4:00
if I don eat right.
I eat small meals and small snacks. The change in blood sugar levels is
what makes me feel bad.
Glucose I can handle for some reason..So a glucose test after fasting
only shows a minor change similar to yours. Powdered sugar creates
problems.
I get headaches that only tylenol, pseudofed, crackers, or Arbies beef
and cheedar seem to kick the bad lows.
If I eat sweet early in the morning (ie donut) I feel bad all day.
Beef jerkey works well as a snack for some reason.
I have to have a balance of minor fat & carbohydrate in the snacks.
Alcohol in minor amounts puts me to sleep, But I can drink more and
faster than most people and not feel drunk. (haven’t figured this one).
Moody! I though I was nuts during lows.. emotion, fear, anything that
kick in adrenaline with cure a low…then life seems normal.
The best I feel is when I am the most tired.
I crave sweets..but know the only time I can tolerate them is in the
afternoon for some stange reason. Early morning sweets send me to bed
>I am 69 and the problem was happening more regularly almost daily at
>about 90 minutes after breakfast it would hit.For the first time in my
>life I wanted to sleep during the day.
>I had some tests including a glucose test that involved taking blood
>saples after drinking glucose. I was told that my blood sugar showed a
>slightly abnormal blip and I may have hypoglycaemia. The dietician
>suggested I cut out jam from my breakfast toast and eat a banana mid –
>morning. the doc said it could develop into Diabetes .
Bananas works for diabetes, It creates problems for me. Try apples. I
eat raisin bran for breakfast.. and I cut out the toast 5 years ago. Try
keeping the amount of intake low and stable. Big meals are a killer, and
I feel them the next day. This is strange but Pseudofed will raise a
low. If you notice..it say on the label not for diabetics. This is
because it caused the liver to kick out glycogen. In a low the blood
vessel constrict..pseudofed was used originally by scuba divers to clear
their ears. This was because it dialated the blood vessels. This is why
it works for hypoglycaemia, and is a problem for diabetics. I discovered
this accidentally when scuba diving one time. Finally about a year ago I
asked a diabetic doc why pseudofed would raise an individuals blood
sugar.
There are five people in my distant family that are diabetic. My mom
turned diabetic at 60.
Hypoglycaemia is a tough deal..Many diabetic doctors don’t believe in
it(2 that I have been to during the early 80′s). Because I did not show
much on the glucose tolerance test, they said I was fine…I felt fine
during the test!! They tell you to eat complex starch, I find that
something with a little fat (25% of the total calories as fat calories)
seems to stabalize a bad day. My stomach is tender when I am in a
low..but I will tolerate a little hunger with a small snack rather than
eating a big meal because my stomach feels empty.
Tension & Pressure may trigger a low, thus weakness, thus depression. It
compounds nature stress.
I would try tylenol, beef jerkey & keebler crackers, Arbies beef and
cheedar next time you first begin to get a low.
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>Can someone tell me
>a. Do these symptoms square with the diagnosis.
>b. If so can I avoid the bouts of weakness/depression occuring
>c. How.
Aubrey Jacobus (aub…@japhet.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Does this newsgroup cover this condition ?
Dear Aubrey
I would like to know the same thing. After all it is a form of
diabetes that is always overlooked. Maybe you would like to start some
type of group on the net to relate with each other.
Debbie
In article <49dkmf$…@opal.southwind.net>, lanic…@southwind.net (Larry A. Nicholson) says:
>In article <817491290.23…@japhet.demon.co.uk>,
>aub…@japhet.demon.co.uk (Aubrey Jacobus) says:
>>Does this newsgroup cover this condition ?
>I have the same question! Hypoglycaemia can turn to diabetes.
The answer is yes. I quoted a part of the FAQ-Part 1 below.
99 percent of the participants to this newsgroup are diabetic.
Some, like myself, suffer from reactive hypoglycemia. Both groups
can suffer from the symptoms of hypoglycemia, though treatment is
completely different. In case of diabetic persons an occasional
hypoglycemia can be quickly resolved by eating fast carbohydrates
like concentrated sugar (the ‘candy-in-the-pocket’).
For people sufferng from reactive hypoglycemia this is the worst thing
to do, as the sugar will trigger another hypoglycemia a few hours later.
There are a lot of things written on it, ask if you are interested.
In general, you should go on a diet of regular eating (every 1.5 to 2
hours), not eat sugar anymore, and concentrate on slow carbohydrates.
If you are on WWW, please check:
Reactive Hypoglycemia Home Page, also Hypoglycemia Association Inc.
http://www.fred.net/slowup/hypo.html
National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Disease
of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/Hypoglycemia/Hypoglycemia.html
Joanne Larsen, Internet Dietician (interactive)
http://www.hoptechno.com/hypoglyc.htm
Lars.
FYI:
-M.H.D. FAQ-PART1——————————————————
Subject: How about discussing hypoglycemia?
===========================================
Sure …
To clarify: the term "hypoglycemia" is used to refer to two distinct
conditions. The word just means "low blood glucose". This can occur as an
insulin reaction, the result of too much injected insulin (taken to treat
diabetes) compared to food intake and exercise. But low blood glucose can
also be a chronic condition resulting from abnormalities of insulin
secretion, and this chronic condition is also called hypoglycemia.
Chronic hypoglycemia may be caused by beta cells which overreact to an
increase in blood glucose (bg) by releasing too much insulin, which then
causes a too-rapid drop in bG. Such a condition, called reactive
hypoglycemia, is usually handled by dietary adjustments, in particular
avoiding refined sugars and large meals which stimulate the overreaction.
This often requires an effort in calculating the diet and monitoring bG
levels that is equal to what anyone with diabetes needs.
Tumors (insulinomas) can cause a steady overproduction of insulin. These
generally require surgical removal.
There are other causes as well. Mayer Davidson discusses some in his book
(see the section Could you recommend some good reading?). I don’t believe
anyone claims to understand all the causes.
So chronic hypoglycemia is closely related to diabetes mellitus in being a
disorder of insulin production and use, and requires many of the same
techniques for its treatment. The two are a natural for discussion in the
same newsgroup. Which is good, since there really isn’t anywhere else in
Usenet at present to discuss chronic hypoglycemia. Welcome.
————————————————————————–
So you’re welcome.
In a recent article, lanic…@southwind.net (Larry A. Nicholson) writes:
> X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6
> Bananas works for diabetes, It creates problems for me. Try apples. I
> eat raisin bran for breakfast.. and I cut out the toast 5 years ago.
Have you tried bacon and eggs, hold the toast (and the fruit juice)?
—
Alejo Hausner (a…@cs.princeton.edu)
In article <817653907.13…@japhet.demon.co.uk>, aub…@japhet.demon.co.uk (Aubrey Jacobus) writes:
=For years I had unexplained symptoms of sudden total draining away of
=all energy accompanied with a deep deep feeling of depression and a
=feeling of starvation so I would when I had gathered the strength
=frantically eat something – it was not always possible to find
=something to eat immediately . I would sit down and the weakness would
=usually pass.It did not seem to happen if I fasted.
=I am 69 and the problem was happening more regularly almost daily at
=about 90 minutes after breakfast it would hit.For the first time in my
=life I wanted to sleep during the day.
=I had some tests including a glucose test that involved taking blood
=saples after drinking glucose. I was told that my blood sugar showed a
=slightly abnormal blip and I may have hypoglycaemia. The dietician
=suggested I cut out jam from my breakfast toast and eat a banana mid –
=morning. the doc said it could develop into Diabetes .
=Can someone tell me
=a. Do these symptoms square with the diagnosis.
Yes.
=b. If so can I avoid the bouts of weakness/depression occuring
Maybe.
=c. How.
Reactive hypoglycemia is a result of your body’s overreacting to a spike in
blood sugar level. So if you can avoid the spike in blood sugar level, you can
avoid the hypoglycemia. Your doctor’s advice is basically it: Limit your
intake of things that will cause a sharp rise in blood sugar levels (this
includes not only foods that have lots of sugar in them, but also
finely-divided starches).
—————————————————————————
I try very hard to say exactly what I mean. I’d appreciate it if you’d
bear that in mind and not try to "interpret" my posts to fit your own
preconceived notions if I’m posting in a serious thread. Remember: If you
throw a strawman into a heated debate, flames are likely to be the result.
In a recent article, dghis…@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Debra G Hiscock) writes:
> Aubrey Jacobus (aub…@japhet.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : Does this newsgroup cover this condition ?
> Dear Aubrey
> I would like to know the same thing. After all it is a form of
> diabetes that is always overlooked. Maybe you would like to start some
> type of group on the net to relate with each other.
> Debbie
There is a web site with information for hypoglycemics:
http://www.fred.net/slowup/hypo.html
There is also a mailing list where they discuss low-carbohydrate diets
(which are tailored for hypglycemics). It’s mostly centered around
losing weight, but boy are they enthusiastic! They have an associated
web site:
http://nmcs.com/lowcarb/
To sign up to the mailing list, send mail to lowcarb-requ…@nmcs.com
and type the following text in the body of the message:
JOIN lowcarb
If you join, be prepared to read A LOT!!!! of email. It’s a very busy
mailing list.
—
Alejo Hausner (a…@cs.princeton.edu)
> aub…@japhet.demon.co.uk (Aubrey Jacobus) writes:
> a. Do these symptoms square with the diagnosis.
> b. If so can I avoid the bouts of weakness/depression occuring
> c. How.
The symptoms do conform with reactive hypoglycemia (as well as some other things!)
One thing you can try is just trying the hypoglycemic diet and see if it helps you. It never
hurts to cut out sugar anyway! If hypoglycemia is the cause, you should notice an
improvement within a couple of weeks, although withdrawal symptoms will continue to some
extent for several months. I have a whole lot more information at my hypoglycemia home pages:
http://www.fred.net/slowup/hypo.html
God be with you!
Donald McCullough slo…@fred.net
http://www.fred.net/slowup/home.html
In article <49ms0r$…@driene.student.utwente.nl>, a.j.h.bergev…@student.utwente.nl (Lars Idema) writes:
=In article <49dkmf$…@opal.southwind.net>, lanic…@southwind.net (Larry A. Nicholson) says:
=>I have the same question! Hypoglycaemia can turn to diabetes.
That particular sort of case history is known as Syndrome X.
=The answer is yes. I quoted a part of the FAQ-Part 1 below.
=
=99 percent of the participants to this newsgroup are diabetic.
=Some, like myself, suffer from reactive hypoglycemia. Both groups
=can suffer from the symptoms of hypoglycemia, though treatment is
=completely different. In case of diabetic persons an occasional
=hypoglycemia can be quickly resolved by eating fast carbohydrates
=like concentrated sugar (the ‘candy-in-the-pocket’).
Er, that depends on what caused the hypoglycemia. If the hypoglycemia was the
result of injecting too much insulin, missing a meal after one had injected
insulin, or something of that sort, then you’re right. On the other hand, for
someone with Syndrome X, there’s a chance, albeit a small one, that once the
diabetes is brought under control, he’ll begin suffering to some degree from
reactive hypoglycemia again. In that case, the treatment you mention isn’t
appropriate.
—————————————————————————
I try very hard to say exactly what I mean. I’d appreciate it if you’d
bear that in mind and not try to "interpret" my posts to fit your own
preconceived notions if I’m posting in a serious thread. Remember: If you
throw a strawman into a heated debate, flames are likely to be the result.
I also have the same question. I am seeking information about
hypoglycemia
Go to Yahoo (http://www.yahoo.com) & do a search for "Hypoglycemia."
You’ll get a very small list, one is a commercial site, the other is a
site with all kinds of information from the Hypoglycemia Association, Inc.
I copied all the bulletins and plan on reading them over tonight. Looks
like a good resource listing, too.
Sue in NJ
Count me in for a Hypoglycemia newsgroup.
Sue in NJ
trgs…@prodigy.com
All this information I can relate to having been diagnosed with
Hypoglycemia five years ago. Apparently I had lived with it for twenty years
before I found out what it was. There were certain things I would
consume for meals, almost becoming a ritual in itself to insure I
would feel good. Taboos I had imposed on myself to make sure I
would not consume refined sugar early in the day, too early
and I would be home ill for the rest of the day. I discoverd that
Drixoral would cure the symptoms in severe cases, but only in
severe cases. Hypoglycemia can be a living nightmare if not
taken care of, especially for those around me. Mood swings still
happen, but not as bad as they use to be. Anger, paranoia, nausea
and etc.. are no fun.
A am in support of a newsgroup relating to Hypoglycemia.
Bob
In article <4aa4ke$…@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, TRGS…@prodigy.com
(Susan Grabowski) wrote:
> Count me in for a Hypoglycemia newsgroup.
> Sue in NJ
This is my first visit to this newsgroup but its charter does say diabetes
not hypo. And hypo is what I (supposedly) have. I’m told there’s next to
no research done on the subject independently of diabetes; I sure don’t
know what causes mine.
Hypoglycemia newsgroup? Is this a serious prospect?
Hypoglycemia newsgroup! Yes I want it!
Joe in IL
—
Joe Bernstein, free-lance writer, bank clerk and bookstore worker
speaking (obviously) for myself and nobody else
In article <stars-0912950656310…@stars.pr.mcs.net>,
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Joe Bernstein <st…@mcs.com> wrote:
>In article <4aa4ke$…@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, TRGS…@prodigy.com
>(Susan Grabowski) wrote:
>> Count me in for a Hypoglycemia newsgroup.
>> Sue in NJ
>This is my first visit to this newsgroup but its charter does say diabetes
>not hypo. And hypo is what I (supposedly) have. I’m told there’s next to
>no research done on the subject independently of diabetes; I sure don’t
>know what causes mine.
>Hypoglycemia newsgroup? Is this a serious prospect?
>Hypoglycemia newsgroup! Yes I want it!
I have found quite a bit of literature on hypoglycemia. The web
pages listed by someone else (sorry, I forget who it was!) are
a great place to start. I think the reason you were told that
no research has been done is that many doctors don’t recognize
hypoglycemia as a real illness.
I, too, would love to see a hypoglycemia newsgroup. I hear alt
groups aren’t too hard to start…
Pam
—
Pamela Minthorn
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In a recent article, TRGS…@prodigy.com (Susan Grabowski) writes:
> Count me in for a Hypoglycemia newsgroup.
> Sue in NJ
> trgs…@prodigy.com
There are resources on hypoglycemia on the net. A web page with lots
of information is at:
http://www.fred.net/slowup/hypo.html
Although doctors tend to recommend lots of little meals
(high-complex-carbo, low-sugar meals) throughout the day, there is
another camp that recommends avoiding carbohydrates altogether. There
is a VERY ACTIVE mailing list of hypoglycemic people that eat this way
(and do very well). They are both concerned with weight loss and
blood-sugar control. Send mail to
lowcarb-requ…@nmcs.com
with the following text in the body of the message:
JOIN lowcarb
Expect about 20-30 email message per day! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
The maintainer of the list also has a web page:
http://nmcs.com/lowcarb/
–
Alejo Hausner (a…@cs.princeton.edu)
In article <4ai8rf$…@cnn.Princeton.EDU>,
Alejo Hausner <a…@dynastar.cs.princeton.edu> wrote:
>Although doctors tend to recommend lots of little meals
>(high-complex-carbo, low-sugar meals) throughout the day, there is
>another camp that recommends avoiding carbohydrates altogether. There
>is a VERY ACTIVE mailing list of hypoglycemic people that eat this way
>(and do very well). They are both concerned with weight loss and
>blood-sugar control. Send mail to
> lowcarb-requ…@nmcs.com
I was subscribed to this mailing list for a while. It seemed to me
that many of the readers (or maybe just the avid posters) were
on the low-carb diet to lose weight, not because they are hypoglycemic.
Did I get the wrong impression or is this really the case?
It is true that the list has a very high volume of mail. Over
Thanksgiving it was probably up to 50 messages a day for the
weekend.
Pam
—
Pamela Minthorn
paja…@atticus.stanford.edu <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< ><>
<>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><
. ,
.:/
. ,,///;, ,;/ "Ambition is so powerful a passion
. o:::::::;;/// in the human breast, that no matter
>::::::::;;\\\ how high we achieve, we are never
”\\\\\’" ‘;\ satisfied." – Machiavelli
’;\
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a.j.h.bergev…@student.utwente.nl (Lars Idema) wrote:
>In article <stars-0912950656310…@stars.pr.mcs.net>, st…@mcs.com (Joe Bernstein) says:
>>In article <4aa4ke$…@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, TRGS…@prodigy.com
>>(Susan Grabowski) wrote:
>>> Count me in for a Hypoglycemia newsgroup.
>>> Sue in NJ
>>This is my first visit to this newsgroup but its charter does say diabetes
>>not hypo. And hypo is what I (supposedly) have. I’m told there’s next to
>>no research done on the subject independently of diabetes; I sure don’t
>>know what causes mine.
>>Hypoglycemia newsgroup? Is this a serious prospect?
>>Hypoglycemia newsgroup! Yes I want it!
>>Joe in IL
>Alt.support.hypoglycemia?
>I’d like it too, though I don’t have a clue how such things can be done.
I am new to this group – I started reading it because my husband is
diabetic. However, I am (self-diagnosed) hypoglycaemic, and I think a
separate newsgroup would be good. This newsgroup might accept hypo
postings, but this thread is the first I have seen.
Meanwhile, can anyone tell me about this low-carbohydrate diet (sorry if
this is an FAQ). My husband is on a high carbohydrate diet, and
therefore so am I. Is this bad for HG ? I also have food allergies, but
I don’t know if this is related.
TIA,
Lyn
In article <4an6e9$…@is.bbsrc.ac.uk>,
Lyn Jolliffe <jolli…@bbsrc.ac.uk> wrote:
>Meanwhile, can anyone tell me about this low-carbohydrate diet (sorry if
>this is an FAQ). My husband is on a high carbohydrate diet, and
>therefore so am I. Is this bad for HG ? I also have food allergies, but
>I don’t know if this is related.
Yes, a high carbohydrate diet is probably very bad for you if you have
hypoglycemia. I don’t know if you’ve seen the recent post which listed
all the resources on the ‘net. Here are a couple of them:
http://www.fred.net/slowup/hypo.html
http://nmcs.com/lowcarb/
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/Hypoglycemia/Hypoglycemia.html
From what I’ve read, food allergies often accompany hypoglycemia,
though I’m not sure what the relation is.
Anyway, it wouldn’t hurt to check out the web pages. Good luck!
Pam
—
Pamela Minthorn
paja…@atticus.stanford.edu <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< ><>
<>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><
. ,
.:/
. ,,///;, ,;/ "Ambition is so powerful a passion
. o:::::::;;/// in the human breast, that no matter
>::::::::;;\\\ how high we achieve, we are never
”\\\\\’" ‘;\ satisfied." – Machiavelli
’;\
In article <4ao9bf$…@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, paja…@atticus.Stanford.EDU (Pamela J. Minthorn) writes:
=In article <4an6e9$…@is.bbsrc.ac.uk>,
=Lyn Jolliffe <jolli…@bbsrc.ac.uk> wrote:
=>Meanwhile, can anyone tell me about this low-carbohydrate diet (sorry if
=>this is an FAQ). My husband is on a high carbohydrate diet, and
=>therefore so am I. Is this bad for HG ? I also have food allergies, but
=>I don’t know if this is related.
=
=Yes, a high carbohydrate diet is probably very bad for you if you have
=hypoglycemia.
Depends on the type of hypoglycemia, doesn’t it? A high-carbohydrate diet
could certainly aggravate reactive hypoglycemia, but fasting hypoglycemia?
—————————————————————————
I try very hard to say exactly what I mean. I’d appreciate it if you’d
bear that in mind and not try to "interpret" my posts to fit your own
preconceived notions if I’m posting in a serious thread. Remember: If you
throw a strawman into a heated debate, flames are likely to be the result.