I saw this in the Newsstand today and thought it was a very good
article. I only found a couple of errors, or misguided statements. All
in all a fine article in a free weekly.
Check it out at:
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2004-08-11/feature.html/1/index….
–Jeremy
"Peanutjake" <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote in message
news:2nv2j2F53ggkU1@uni-berlin.de…
> Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could
harm children
> CHRISTIAN WIENBERG
> Associated Press
> COPENHAGEN, Denmark – Danish health officials said Wednesday they have
banned several
> vitamin-enriched products of U.S. breakfast cereal maker Kellogg, saying
they could be harmful if
> eaten regularly.
It is likely political rather than content of the cereals. Has the U.S.
recently banned any Danish products?
What contry is the cereal to be manufactured in? Possibly someplace besides
Denmark? does Kellog
have a manufacturing facility in Demark?
BJ
Peanutjake <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote on Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55
-0400:
> Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could
> harm children
> CHRISTIAN WIENBERG
> Associated Press
> COPENHAGEN, Denmark – Danish health officials said Wednesday they have
> banned several vitamin-enriched products of U.S. breakfast cereal maker
> Kellogg, saying they could be harmful if eaten regularly.
> The 18 products, which include enriched versions of popular brands already on
> the Danish market like Corn Flakes, Rice Krispies and Special K, were to be
> launched in Denmark soon. "We’ve turned down applications for a number of
> enriched products which will have toxic effects in the doses Kellogg uses,"
> said Paolo Drotsby of the Danish Veterinary and Food Administration. Drotsby
> said that if eaten regularly, the products could damage children’s livers and
> kidneys, as well as the fetuses of pregnant women.
But, presumably, other foetuses will be OK. Provided, of course, they
don’t eat too much Special K. Which reminds me – some while ago, I
remember Special K being reclassified by the BDA from "sort of OK in
moderation" to "only touch with a barge pole" after its recipe was
changed to use vastly more sugar than previously.
> Kellogg said it was puzzled by the rejection, as many of the products are
> being sold already in several other European countries.
> "We’re extremely concerned and mystified, as we never have had such
> problems with health authorities before in Kellogg’s history," said
> John Buckles, managing director for Kellogg in the Nordic region. The
> 18 products include 12 types of cereal brands and six types of snack or
> breakfast bars. Buckles said the European enrichment recipes were
> slightly different from the ones used in the United States, although
> Kellogg’s products are fortified there as well and have been since the
> 1930s. "Our next step is to work with Danish authorities and see if we
> can come up with a solution. The important thing here is for us to work
> in concert," Buckles said.
> Chris Wermann, a spokesman for Kellogg Europe, added: "We will have further
> discussions with Danish authorities about the importance of vitamins in
> cereals."
Talk about patronising bastards! Perhaps Mr. Wermann would do better to
learn from the Danes about the importance of properly balanced diets, and
to modify his company’s recipes to conform.
> Meanwhile, Drotsby said Kellogg could apply again if the company
> removes or reduces the doses of the vitamins and minerals in question.
> The rejection was delivered to Kellogg last month after a government
> laboratory conducted a scientific examination of the ingredient lists
> provided by the company, Drotsby said. Kellogg Co., based in Battle
> Creek, Mich., operates in 160 countries. Its shares rose a penny to
> $41.11 in early afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange.
–
Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany)
Email: a…@muuc.dee; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter
(like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").
Pete wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could harm children
> Why you x poast this shit?
If you object to the crossposts so much, why didn’t you remove them
before replying?
I don’t feel that the crossposts were excessive, the post is likely to
have interest in all of the groups where it was posted.
Regards
David
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BJ in Texas wrote:
> "Peanutjake" <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:2nv2j2F53ggkU1@uni-berlin.de…
>>Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could
> harm children
>>CHRISTIAN WIENBERG
>>Associated Press
>>COPENHAGEN, Denmark – Danish health officials said Wednesday they have
> banned several
>>vitamin-enriched products of U.S. breakfast cereal maker Kellogg, saying
> they could be harmful if
>>eaten regularly.
> It is likely political rather than content of the cereals.
I doubt it.
Denmark has high standards regarding food laws, and a policy of not
accepting political interference. It has banned other products that
are readily available in the western world. It has banned Red Bull,
most common pesticides, amalgam in dentistry, water fluoridation, many
supplements, etc., etc.
Denmark is probably less politically influenced than most western
countries. It seems (unusually) to put its people first, ahead of
profits for the private sector. Other countries could learn from it.
Regards
David
The REASON they were rejected is because they had high levels of
VITAMINS added, and Denmark’s food agency doesn’t believe in added vitamins.
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Peanutjake wrote:
> Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could harm children
> CHRISTIAN WIENBERG
> Associated Press
> COPENHAGEN, Denmark – Danish health officials said Wednesday they have banned several
> vitamin-enriched products of U.S. breakfast cereal maker Kellogg, saying they could be harmful if
> eaten regularly.
> The 18 products, which include enriched versions of popular brands already on the Danish market like
> Corn Flakes, Rice Krispies and Special K, were to be launched in Denmark soon.
> "We’ve turned down applications for a number of enriched products which will have toxic effects in
> the doses Kellogg uses," said Paolo Drotsby of the Danish Veterinary and Food Administration.
> Drotsby said that if eaten regularly, the products could damage children’s livers and kidneys, as
> well as the fetuses of pregnant women.
> Kellogg said it was puzzled by the rejection, as many of the products are being sold already in
> several other European countries.
> "We’re extremely concerned and mystified, as we never have had such problems with health authorities
> before in Kellogg’s history," said John Buckles, managing director for Kellogg in the Nordic region.
> The 18 products include 12 types of cereal brands and six types of snack or breakfast bars. Buckles
> said the European enrichment recipes were slightly different from the ones used in the United
> States, although Kellogg’s products are fortified there as well and have been since the 1930s.
> "Our next step is to work with Danish authorities and see if we can come up with a solution. The
> important thing here is for us to work in concert," Buckles said.
> Chris Wermann, a spokesman for Kellogg Europe, added: "We will have further discussions with Danish
> authorities about the importance of vitamins in cereals."
> Meanwhile, Drotsby said Kellogg could apply again if the company removes or reduces the doses of the
> vitamins and minerals in question.
> The rejection was delivered to Kellogg last month after a government laboratory conducted a
> scientific examination of the ingredient lists provided by the company, Drotsby said.
> Kellogg Co., based in Battle Creek, Mich., operates in 160 countries. Its shares rose a penny to
> $41.11 in early afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange.
–
"…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook
"Ted Rosenberg" <tedrosenb…@iname.com> wrote in message
news:2o19hpF5l4klU2@uni-berlin.de…
> The REASON they were rejected is because they had high levels of
> VITAMINS added, and Denmark’s food agency doesn’t believe in added
vitamins.
The real problem with Kellogg’s cereals are the high levels of sugar and
salt added, and that applies to Heinz products as well!
No twit
try learning how to read, they were banned because of too many added
VITAMINS, not sugar or salt.
jren57 wrote:
> "Ted Rosenberg" <tedrosenb…@iname.com> wrote in message
> news:2o19hpF5l4klU2@uni-berlin.de…
>>The REASON they were rejected is because they had high levels of
>>VITAMINS added, and Denmark’s food agency doesn’t believe in added
> vitamins.
> The real problem with Kellogg’s cereals are the high levels of sugar and
> salt added, and that applies to Heinz products as well!
–
"…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook
"Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> >Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could harm children
> Why you x poast this shit?
Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic newsgroups.
It is not off topic.
It is not spam.
PJ
Instead of simply crossposting some half baked comment, it would have
been helpful to bother to check the FACTS first, and find out that the
reason they are banned is because Denmark, like many other countries, is
getting concerned that people, particularly children, are taking to many
vitimines, and that they are BAD for them.
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Peanutjake wrote:
> "Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
>>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
>><peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>>Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could harm children
>>Why you x poast this shit?
> Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic newsgroups.
> It is not off topic.
> It is not spam.
> PJ
–
"…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook
"Ted Rosenberg" <tedrosenb…@iname.com> wrote in message
news:2o1k55F5t5a7U1@uni-berlin.de…
> No twit
> try learning how to read, they were banned because of too many added
> VITAMINS, not sugar or salt.
Yes , and the radio news said ( citing the posted article ) said that
Denmark says that too much vitamin fortification can cause kidney trouble
and trouble with other organs too , especially in children .
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> jren57 wrote:
> > "Ted Rosenberg" <tedrosenb…@iname.com> wrote in message
> > news:2o19hpF5l4klU2@uni-berlin.de…
> >>The REASON they were rejected is because they had high levels of
> >>VITAMINS added, and Denmark’s food agency doesn’t believe in added
> > vitamins.
> > The real problem with Kellogg’s cereals are the high levels of sugar and
> > salt added, and that applies to Heinz products as well!
> —
> "…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
> hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the
present"
> Glen Cook
In article <ovnnh05nfs86dtq89noq8eo4ecl0u3d…@4ax.com>, aspen3
@freeuk.com says…
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> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> >"Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
> >> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> >> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> >> >Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could harm children
> >> Why you x poast this shit?
> >Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic newsgroups.
> What is so important about it?
> >It is not off topic.
> I never said it was
> >It is not spam.
> I never said it was
> >PJ
This is really strange folks. I’m up at this hour 0342 because I can’t
sleep. I came into the office and took my blood sugar. To my amazement,
it was 73! What Is odd here is that all week I have been eating nothing
but one big bowl of corn flakes, Rice Krispies, and Cheerios all mixed
together with skim milk, Splenda and Nutrasweet. I started adding about
a cup of sugar to really get it right. Now we’re talking about a quart
of milk and one of those medium size microwave bowls full of cereal.
The strange thing is my blood sugar drops drastically after eating the
cereal with sugar. It should have gone up to 200 or more. I took it just
now and it is up to 78. I just don’t understand why it is dropping
instead of rising after eating all of that highly sweetened cereal about
12 hours ago. The only other thing I have eaten today is a big plate of
mixed vegetables?
Am I on to something good here? Or do I have some other problem? If all
What gives here? Does it
it takes to keep my blood sugar low is to eat a big bowl of cereal with
refined sugar, I think I can handle that.
have something to do with the Denmark controversy over Kellogg products?
Later
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:47:51 -0500, Schuyler Colfax
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<schuylercol…@charterinternet.com> wrote:
>In article <ovnnh05nfs86dtq89noq8eo4ecl0u3d…@4ax.com>, aspen3
>@freeuk.com says…
>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
>> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>> >"Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
>> >> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
>> >> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>> >> >Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could harm children
>> >> Why you x poast this shit?
>> >Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic newsgroups.
>> What is so important about it?
>> >It is not off topic.
>> I never said it was
>> >It is not spam.
>> I never said it was
>> >PJ
>This is really strange folks. I’m up at this hour 0342 because I can’t
>sleep. I came into the office and took my blood sugar. To my amazement,
>it was 73! What Is odd here is that all week I have been eating nothing
>but one big bowl of corn flakes, Rice Krispies, and Cheerios all mixed
>together with skim milk, Splenda and Nutrasweet. I started adding about
>a cup of sugar to really get it right. Now we’re talking about a quart
>of milk and one of those medium size microwave bowls full of cereal.
>The strange thing is my blood sugar drops drastically after eating the
>cereal with sugar. It should have gone up to 200 or more. I took it just
>now and it is up to 78. I just don’t understand why it is dropping
>instead of rising after eating all of that highly sweetened cereal about
>12 hours ago. The only other thing I have eaten today is a big plate of
>mixed vegetables?
>Am I on to something good here? Or do I have some other problem? If all
What gives here? Does it
>it takes to keep my blood sugar low is to eat a big bowl of cereal with
>refined sugar, I think I can handle that.
>have something to do with the Denmark controversy over Kellogg products?
>Later
What are the times after eating that those readings represent? Are they
one-hour, two-hour or something else. Presuming you are T2, I’d suspect
you’re peaking very high very quickly then plunging low.
Try a test next time at 30 mins and 1 hr.
Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
Remove weight and carbs to email.
—
Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.
It sounds like you are experiencing a reactive low blood sugar. This is not
good. Your blood sugar probably surged very high and then over time
secreted a large amount of insulin which brought the blood sugar down again.
Typically this will happen for a while, then it will stop–because your beta
cells have lost their ability to make any more insulin. At that point you’ll
just go high and stay there longer and longer.
I experienced the same thing when I was younger. Now I don’t go low no
matter what I eat but I sure can go high.
But the important thing to note is that this reactive swing means your beta
cells still can make insulin. Why not take a load off them by cutting way
back on the carbs now, so that you preserve what function you have left?
That will mean you need a lot less medication later.
–
Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
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"Schuyler Colfax" <schuylercol…@charterinternet.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b878db04af90a309896f2@news.charter.net…
> In article <ovnnh05nfs86dtq89noq8eo4ecl0u3d…@4ax.com>, aspen3
> @freeuk.com says…
> > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> > <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> > >"Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
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> > >> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> > >> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> > >> >Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they
could harm children
> > >> Why you x poast this shit?
> > >Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic
newsgroups.
> > What is so important about it?
> > >It is not off topic.
> > I never said it was
> > >It is not spam.
> > I never said it was
> > >PJ
> This is really strange folks. I’m up at this hour 0342 because I can’t
> sleep. I came into the office and took my blood sugar. To my amazement,
> it was 73! What Is odd here is that all week I have been eating nothing
> but one big bowl of corn flakes, Rice Krispies, and Cheerios all mixed
> together with skim milk, Splenda and Nutrasweet. I started adding about
> a cup of sugar to really get it right. Now we’re talking about a quart
> of milk and one of those medium size microwave bowls full of cereal.
> The strange thing is my blood sugar drops drastically after eating the
> cereal with sugar. It should have gone up to 200 or more. I took it just
> now and it is up to 78. I just don’t understand why it is dropping
> instead of rising after eating all of that highly sweetened cereal about
> 12 hours ago. The only other thing I have eaten today is a big plate of
> mixed vegetables?
> Am I on to something good here? Or do I have some other problem? If all
What gives here? Does it
> it takes to keep my blood sugar low is to eat a big bowl of cereal with
> refined sugar, I think I can handle that.
> have something to do with the Denmark controversy over Kellogg products?
> Later
In article <rutrh0ds6pbu0tj6taamrqvd3er9v0e…@4ax.com>,
loralweightandca…@optusnet.com.au says…
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> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:47:51 -0500, Schuyler Colfax
> <schuylercol…@charterinternet.com> wrote:
> >In article <ovnnh05nfs86dtq89noq8eo4ecl0u3d…@4ax.com>, aspen3
> >@freeuk.com says…
> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> >> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> >> >"Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
> >> >> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> >> >> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> >> >> >Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could harm children
> >> >> Why you x poast this shit?
> >> >Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic newsgroups.
> >> What is so important about it?
> >> >It is not off topic.
> >> I never said it was
> >> >It is not spam.
> >> I never said it was
> >> >PJ
> >This is really strange folks. I’m up at this hour 0342 because I can’t
> >sleep. I came into the office and took my blood sugar. To my amazement,
> >it was 73! What Is odd here is that all week I have been eating nothing
> >but one big bowl of corn flakes, Rice Krispies, and Cheerios all mixed
> >together with skim milk, Splenda and Nutrasweet. I started adding about
> >a cup of sugar to really get it right. Now we’re talking about a quart
> >of milk and one of those medium size microwave bowls full of cereal.
> >The strange thing is my blood sugar drops drastically after eating the
> >cereal with sugar. It should have gone up to 200 or more. I took it just
> >now and it is up to 78. I just don’t understand why it is dropping
> >instead of rising after eating all of that highly sweetened cereal about
> >12 hours ago. The only other thing I have eaten today is a big plate of
> >mixed vegetables?
> >Am I on to something good here? Or do I have some other problem? If all
What gives here? Does it
> >it takes to keep my blood sugar low is to eat a big bowl of cereal with
> >refined sugar, I think I can handle that.
> >have something to do with the Denmark controversy over Kellogg products?
> >Later
> What are the times after eating that those readings represent? Are they
> one-hour, two-hour or something else. Presuming you are T2, I’d suspect
> you’re peaking very high very quickly then plunging low.
> Try a test next time at 30 mins and 1 hr.
> Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
> Remove weight and carbs to email.
I there, well about twelve hours had passed when I took the tests. I
just awoke now and took my sugar. It is "101" That’s really weird. I
have eaten nothing in the last 5.5 hours while I slept, but it went up
23 points.
I’ve lost about twenty pounds over the last few months also. Perhaps
that is making things a little easier. I’m just glad it didn’t drop to
below zero while I slept. I could have woke up to find that the
groundhog was bringing me my mail.
Spater
I doubt seriously your reading is correct.
Whenever you get an odd reading take two more readings and see what you get
My BG read 295 last night, my next two readings (taken immediately) were
95 and 104. I ignored the high reading Actual is obviously in the
90-110 range
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Schuyler Colfax wrote:
> In article <ovnnh05nfs86dtq89noq8eo4ecl0u3d…@4ax.com>, aspen3
> @freeuk.com says…
>>On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
>><peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>>"Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
>>>>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
>>>><peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>>>>Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could harm children
>>>>Why you x poast this shit?
>>>Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic newsgroups.
>>What is so important about it?
>>>It is not off topic.
>>I never said it was
>>>It is not spam.
>>I never said it was
>>>PJ
> This is really strange folks. I’m up at this hour 0342 because I can’t
> sleep. I came into the office and took my blood sugar. To my amazement,
> it was 73! What Is odd here is that all week I have been eating nothing
> but one big bowl of corn flakes, Rice Krispies, and Cheerios all mixed
> together with skim milk, Splenda and Nutrasweet. I started adding about
> a cup of sugar to really get it right. Now we’re talking about a quart
> of milk and one of those medium size microwave bowls full of cereal.
> The strange thing is my blood sugar drops drastically after eating the
> cereal with sugar. It should have gone up to 200 or more. I took it just
> now and it is up to 78. I just don’t understand why it is dropping
> instead of rising after eating all of that highly sweetened cereal about
> 12 hours ago. The only other thing I have eaten today is a big plate of
> mixed vegetables?
> Am I on to something good here? Or do I have some other problem? If all
What gives here? Does it
> it takes to keep my blood sugar low is to eat a big bowl of cereal with
> refined sugar, I think I can handle that.
> have something to do with the Denmark controversy over Kellogg products?
> Later
–
"…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:25:46 -0500, Schuyler Colfax
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<schuylercol…@charterinternet.com> wrote:
>In article <rutrh0ds6pbu0tj6taamrqvd3er9v0e…@4ax.com>,
>loralweightandca…@optusnet.com.au says…
>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:47:51 -0500, Schuyler Colfax
>> <schuylercol…@charterinternet.com> wrote:
>> >In article <ovnnh05nfs86dtq89noq8eo4ecl0u3d…@4ax.com>, aspen3
>> >@freeuk.com says…
>> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
>> >> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>> >> >"Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
>> >> >> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
>> >> >> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could harm children
>> >> >> Why you x poast this shit?
>> >> >Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic newsgroups.
>> >> What is so important about it?
>> >> >It is not off topic.
>> >> I never said it was
>> >> >It is not spam.
>> >> I never said it was
>> >> >PJ
>> >This is really strange folks. I’m up at this hour 0342 because I can’t
>> >sleep. I came into the office and took my blood sugar. To my amazement,
>> >it was 73! What Is odd here is that all week I have been eating nothing
>> >but one big bowl of corn flakes, Rice Krispies, and Cheerios all mixed
>> >together with skim milk, Splenda and Nutrasweet. I started adding about
>> >a cup of sugar to really get it right. Now we’re talking about a quart
>> >of milk and one of those medium size microwave bowls full of cereal.
>> >The strange thing is my blood sugar drops drastically after eating the
>> >cereal with sugar. It should have gone up to 200 or more. I took it just
>> >now and it is up to 78. I just don’t understand why it is dropping
>> >instead of rising after eating all of that highly sweetened cereal about
>> >12 hours ago. The only other thing I have eaten today is a big plate of
>> >mixed vegetables?
>> >Am I on to something good here? Or do I have some other problem? If all
What gives here? Does it
>> >it takes to keep my blood sugar low is to eat a big bowl of cereal with
>> >refined sugar, I think I can handle that.
>> >have something to do with the Denmark controversy over Kellogg products?
>> >Later
>> What are the times after eating that those readings represent? Are they
>> one-hour, two-hour or something else. Presuming you are T2, I’d suspect
>> you’re peaking very high very quickly then plunging low.
>> Try a test next time at 30 mins and 1 hr.
>> Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
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>I there, well about twelve hours had passed when I took the tests. I
>just awoke now and took my sugar. It is "101" That’s really weird. I
>have eaten nothing in the last 5.5 hours while I slept, but it went up
>23 points.
>I’ve lost about twenty pounds over the last few months also. Perhaps
>that is making things a little easier. I’m just glad it didn’t drop to
>below zero while I slept. I could have woke up to find that the
>groundhog was bringing me my mail.
>Spater
That time difference explains it.
Two points. To see what a specific meal or food does to you, test at one
and two hours after eating, not half a day later. And we call the "high"
in the morning the "dawn effect", where your body releases stored energy
to get you going in the morning.
Jennifer explains it better than I at
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm . Read that, and
put it into practice.
Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
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font problems – I am now assuming that you are posting "73" followed by
an exclamation point, not "731"
The reading STILL may be wrong, asnd should have been chcked. Also
remember that a reading of 73, WITHOUT a major problem means
between 59 and 91.
going from 71 to 78 is NOT "rising". The readings are too close to tell
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Ted Rosenberg wrote:
> I doubt seriously your reading is correct.
> Whenever you get an odd reading take two more readings and see what you get
> My BG read 295 last night, my next two readings (taken immediately) were
> 95 and 104. I ignored the high reading Actual is obviously in the
> 90-110 range
> Schuyler Colfax wrote:
>> In article <ovnnh05nfs86dtq89noq8eo4ecl0u3d…@4ax.com>, aspen3
>> @freeuk.com says…
>>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
>>> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>>> "Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
>>>>> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they
>>>>>> could harm children
>>>>> Why you x poast this shit?
>>>> Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic
>>>> newsgroups.
>>> What is so important about it?
>>>> It is not off topic.
>>> I never said it was
>>>> It is not spam.
>>> I never said it was
>>>> PJ
>> This is really strange folks. I’m up at this hour 0342 because I can’t
>> sleep. I came into the office and took my blood sugar. To my
>> amazement, it was 73! What Is odd here is that all week I have been
>> eating nothing but one big bowl of corn flakes, Rice Krispies, and
>> Cheerios all mixed together with skim milk, Splenda and Nutrasweet. I
>> started adding about a cup of sugar to really get it right. Now we’re
>> talking about a quart of milk and one of those medium size microwave
>> bowls full of cereal.
>> The strange thing is my blood sugar drops drastically after eating the
>> cereal with sugar. It should have gone up to 200 or more. I took it
>> just now and it is up to 78. I just don’t understand why it is
>> dropping instead of rising after eating all of that highly sweetened
>> cereal about 12 hours ago. The only other thing I have eaten today is
>> a big plate of mixed vegetables?
>> Am I on to something good here? Or do I have some other problem? If
What gives here?
>> all it takes to keep my blood sugar low is to eat a big bowl of cereal
>> with refined sugar, I think I can handle that.
>> Does it have something to do with the Denmark controversy over Kellogg
>> products?
>> Later
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:30:12 -0400, Ted Rosenberg
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<tedrosenb…@iname.com> wrote:
>No twit
>try learning how to read, they were banned because of too many added
>VITAMINS, not sugar or salt.
>jren57 wrote:
>> "Ted Rosenberg" <tedrosenb…@iname.com> wrote in message
>> news:2o19hpF5l4klU2@uni-berlin.de…
>>>The REASON they were rejected is because they had high levels of
>>>VITAMINS added, and Denmark’s food agency doesn’t believe in added
>> vitamins.
>> The real problem with Kellogg’s cereals are the high levels of sugar and
>> salt added, and that applies to Heinz products as well!
the real problem with kelloggs products is that they are shit, which
also isn’t in the article - try learning how to tolerate
In article <2o7hmbF7shd…@uni-berlin.de>, tedrosenb…@iname.com
says…
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> font problems – I am now assuming that you are posting "73" followed by
> an exclamation point, not "731"
> The reading STILL may be wrong, asnd should have been chcked. Also
> remember that a reading of 73, WITHOUT a major problem means
> between 59 and 91.
> going from 71 to 78 is NOT "rising". The readings are too close to tell
> Ted Rosenberg wrote:
> > I doubt seriously your reading is correct.
> > Whenever you get an odd reading take two more readings and see what you get
> > My BG read 295 last night, my next two readings (taken immediately) were
> > 95 and 104. I ignored the high reading Actual is obviously in the
> > 90-110 range
> > Schuyler Colfax wrote:
> >> In article <ovnnh05nfs86dtq89noq8eo4ecl0u3d…@4ax.com>, aspen3
> >> @freeuk.com says…
> >>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> >>> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
> >>>>> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> >>>>> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they
> >>>>>> could harm children
> >>>>> Why you x poast this shit?
> >>>> Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic
> >>>> newsgroups.
> >>> What is so important about it?
> >>>> It is not off topic.
> >>> I never said it was
> >>>> It is not spam.
> >>> I never said it was
> >>>> PJ
> >> This is really strange folks. I’m up at this hour 0342 because I can’t
> >> sleep. I came into the office and took my blood sugar. To my
> >> amazement, it was 73! What Is odd here is that all week I have been
> >> eating nothing but one big bowl of corn flakes, Rice Krispies, and
> >> Cheerios all mixed together with skim milk, Splenda and Nutrasweet. I
> >> started adding about a cup of sugar to really get it right. Now we’re
> >> talking about a quart of milk and one of those medium size microwave
> >> bowls full of cereal.
> >> The strange thing is my blood sugar drops drastically after eating the
> >> cereal with sugar. It should have gone up to 200 or more. I took it
> >> just now and it is up to 78. I just don’t understand why it is
> >> dropping instead of rising after eating all of that highly sweetened
> >> cereal about 12 hours ago. The only other thing I have eaten today is
> >> a big plate of mixed vegetables?
> >> Am I on to something good here? Or do I have some other problem? If
What gives here?
> >> all it takes to keep my blood sugar low is to eat a big bowl of cereal
> >> with refined sugar, I think I can handle that.
> >> Does it have something to do with the Denmark controversy over Kellogg
> >> products?
> >> Later
Well I had a huge bowl of cereal about 60 minutes ago. It was Rice
Krispies and generic brand Corn flakes. Again I used 5 packs of Splenda,
4 packs of Nutrasweet 1 pack of sweet and low, along with about 2/3rds
of a cup of real sugar. I’m going to take my blood sugar now; again. I
messed up the first strip by not pushing it in far enough. so I have to
stick it again.Ill do my little finger this time so I don’t get blood
all over the keyboard.
And the reading issssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Damn! 389!!!
Well that certainly seems more like I thought it should be. Now I will
wait and not take any pills to see how fast it goes down on it’s own.
So much for my cereal theory of controlling blood sugar!
( I t looks
like the only thing that will really keep it regulated is when I assume
room temperature.
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:05:26 -0500, SC
<thewisest…@charterinternet.com> wrote:
>So much for my cereal theory of controlling blood sugar!
It does. It keeps it high if you keep eating it:-)
Hold a little ceremony as you put all the cereals in your cupboard in
the garbage bin.
As a Scandinavian, you should be able to find a good high-fibre whole
grain muesli. Do not add sugar when eating it, and eat it in the
evening, not for breakfast. Try a zero-carb breakfast instead, but test
everything an hour after you eat until you know what it does to you.
Not a half-day later.
Good luck.
Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:25:15 +0100, Wood <bhwiHELLODO…@dol.ie> wrote:
>>> The real problem with Kellogg’s cereals are the high levels of sugar and
>>> salt added, and that applies to Heinz products as well!
>the real problem with kelloggs products is that they are shit, which
>also isn’t in the article - try learning how to tolerate
The brand is irrelevant. It’s the contents that matter. Processed
cereals.
Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
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In article <MPG.1b8864c41c801dcd989…@news.charter.net>,
thewisest…@charterinternet.com says…
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> In article <2o7hmbF7shd…@uni-berlin.de>, tedrosenb…@iname.com
> says…
> > font problems – I am now assuming that you are posting "73" followed by
> > an exclamation point, not "731"
> > The reading STILL may be wrong, asnd should have been chcked. Also
> > remember that a reading of 73, WITHOUT a major problem means
> > between 59 and 91.
> > going from 71 to 78 is NOT "rising". The readings are too close to tell
> > Ted Rosenberg wrote:
> > > I doubt seriously your reading is correct.
> > > Whenever you get an odd reading take two more readings and see what you get
> > > My BG read 295 last night, my next two readings (taken immediately) were
> > > 95 and 104. I ignored the high reading Actual is obviously in the
> > > 90-110 range
> > > Schuyler Colfax wrote:
> > >> In article <ovnnh05nfs86dtq89noq8eo4ecl0u3d…@4ax.com>, aspen3
> > >> @freeuk.com says…
> > >>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> > >>> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> > >>>> "Pete" <asp…@freeuk.com> wrote in message
> > >>>> news:t9dlh01lot635fndpjrf0ik00iph7qi989@4ax.com…
> > >>>>> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:10:55 -0400, "Peanutjake"
> > >>>>> <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they
> > >>>>>> could harm children
> > >>>>> Why you x poast this shit?
> > >>>> Because it may be important news to the readers of four diabetic
> > >>>> newsgroups.
> > >>> What is so important about it?
> > >>>> It is not off topic.
> > >>> I never said it was
> > >>>> It is not spam.
> > >>> I never said it was
> > >>>> PJ
> > >> This is really strange folks. I’m up at this hour 0342 because I can’t
> > >> sleep. I came into the office and took my blood sugar. To my
> > >> amazement, it was 73! What Is odd here is that all week I have been
> > >> eating nothing but one big bowl of corn flakes, Rice Krispies, and
> > >> Cheerios all mixed together with skim milk, Splenda and Nutrasweet. I
> > >> started adding about a cup of sugar to really get it right. Now we’re
> > >> talking about a quart of milk and one of those medium size microwave
> > >> bowls full of cereal.
> > >> The strange thing is my blood sugar drops drastically after eating the
> > >> cereal with sugar. It should have gone up to 200 or more. I took it
> > >> just now and it is up to 78. I just don’t understand why it is
> > >> dropping instead of rising after eating all of that highly sweetened
> > >> cereal about 12 hours ago. The only other thing I have eaten today is
> > >> a big plate of mixed vegetables?
> > >> Am I on to something good here? Or do I have some other problem? If
What gives here?
> > >> all it takes to keep my blood sugar low is to eat a big bowl of cereal
> > >> with refined sugar, I think I can handle that.
> > >> Does it have something to do with the Denmark controversy over Kellogg
> > >> products?
> > >> Later
> Well I had a huge bowl of cereal about 60 minutes ago. It was Rice
> Krispies and generic brand Corn flakes. Again I used 5 packs of Splenda,
> 4 packs of Nutrasweet 1 pack of sweet and low, along with about 2/3rds
> of a cup of real sugar. I’m going to take my blood sugar now; again. I
> messed up the first strip by not pushing it in far enough. so I have to
> stick it again.Ill do my little finger this time so I don’t get blood
> all over the keyboard.
> And the reading issssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Damn! 389!!!
> Well that certainly seems more like I thought it should be. Now I will
> wait and not take any pills to see how fast it goes down on it’s own.
> So much for my cereal theory of controlling blood sugar!
( I t looks
> like the only thing that will really keep it regulated is when I assume
> room temperature.
Well, I just finished playing two games of Chess with a buddy of mine, I
won both by the way. I haven’t had anything to eat or drink since that
scary reading I got around 1800 or so.
2345 CDT
I took my blood sugar just now and to my amazement, it is "99!" It has
dropped nearly three hundred points in 5.5 hours with no medication of
any sort. My blood is flowing like water! Very thin. I bled all over my
clothes when I stuck my middle finger on my left hand.
I’m going to take it one more time now to be
sure——————————————————————–
————————————————————————
————————————————————————
————————————————————————
————————Ahhhhhhhhhh This time it said "106" Now I have
also lost about 25 pounds in the last three months. Could that be a
factor in my body suddenly seeming to be able to handle sugar again?
In any case, I won’t press my luck. I’m going back to just using
artificial sweeteners. I may be on to something good here after all. It
must something in certain cereals that brings it down. I’m going to do a
search on Copernic and see what I find.
Anyway, I feel good!
2358 CDT
Spater
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:57:58 -0500, Schuyler Colfax
<schuylercol…@charterinternet.com> wrote:
>I took my blood sugar just now and to my amazement, it is "99!" It has
>dropped nearly three hundred points in 5.5 hours with no medication of
>any sort. My blood is flowing like water! Very thin. I bled all over my
>clothes when I stuck my middle finger on my left hand.
Why does that surprise you? It doesn’t surprise me. it just means that
you are producing some insulin, just not enough and at the wrong time.
Read Jennifer, start testing to a system instead of randomly, and you
will start to understand what is happening after you eat and what you
need to do to get a degree of control.
Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
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"BJ in Texas" <bjte…@hotmale.com> wrote in message
news:TXsSc.1687$U12.1179@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com…
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> "Peanutjake" <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:2nv2j2F53ggkU1@uni-berlin.de…
> > Danish health authorities ban some Kellogg products, saying they could
> harm children
> > CHRISTIAN WIENBERG
> > Associated Press
> > COPENHAGEN, Denmark – Danish health officials said Wednesday they have
> banned several
> > vitamin-enriched products of U.S. breakfast cereal maker Kellogg, saying
> they could be harmful if
> > eaten regularly.
> It is likely political rather than content of the cereals. Has the U.S.
> recently banned any Danish products?
> What contry is the cereal to be manufactured in? Possibly someplace
besides
> Denmark? does Kellog
> have a manufacturing facility in Demark?
BJ, not every decision in the world is political, or based on the American
view. Kellogg puts way too much crap in it’s "special brew" cereal, and the
Danes don’t like it. It’s simple really.
Beav
"Peanutjake" <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote in message
news:2nuttgF4kebnU1@uni-berlin.de…
> FDA Safety Labeling Changes: August 4, 2004
> Yael Waknine
> Aug. 4, 2004 – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved in May
revisions to drug safety
> labeling to advise healthcare professionals of the following changes:
rosiglitazone
> maleate/metformin is associated with risk of cardiovascular adverse events;
serious and potentially
> fatal infusion-related adverse events have been reported with the use of
alemtuzumab; intestinal
> angioedema has been reported with use of captopril; and indinavir sulfate
may increase plasma levels
> of sildenafil, tadalafil, and vardenafil.
> Rosiglitazone Maleate/Metformin HCl (Avandamet) Associated With Risk of
Cardiovascular Adverse
> Events
> On May 19, the FDA approved changes to the safety labeling for rosiglitazone
maleate/metformin HCl
> tablets (Avandamet, made by SB Pharmco), warning that thiazolidinediones
(alone or in combination
> with other antidiabetic agents) are associated with risk of fluid retention
that may exacerbate or
> lead to heart failure.
> The warning was based on results of trials involving a total of 876 patients
with long-standing
> diabetes and a high prevalence of related complications. An increased
incidence of edema, cardiac
> failure, and other cardiovascular adverse events was observed in patients
who received rosiglitazone
> and insulin concurrently compared with those who received insulin alone.
> Results of a double-blind study involving 112 patients with chronic renal
failure showed no
> difference in incidence of cardiovascular adverse events in patients
administered rosiglitazone in
> combination with insulin compared with insulin alone.
> The FDA recommends that patients treated with rosiglitazone
maleate/metformin in combination with
> insulin be monitored for cardiovascular adverse events.
> Rosiglitazone maleate/metformin is indicated as an adjunct to diet and
exercise to improve glycemic
> control in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus already being treated with
the two medications and
> not adequately controlled with metformin alone.
> Alemtuzumab (Campath) Associated With Infusion-Related Events
> On May 19, the FDA approved changes to the labeling for alemtuzumab
(Campath, made by Ilex
> Pharmaceuticals) to warn of the associated risk of infusion-related events,
including hypotension,
> rigors, fever, shortness of breath, bronchospasm, chills, and/or rash.
> The warning was based on postmarketing reports of infusion-related events,
including syncope,
> pulmonary infiltrates, adult respiratory distress syndrome, respiratory
arrest, cardiac arrhythmias,
> myocardial infarction, and cardiac arrest.
> The FDA recommends that patients be carefully monitored during infusions.
Gradual escalation to the
> indicated maintenance dose is required at therapy initiation and after
therapy interruptions of
> seven days’ duration.
> Alemtuzumab is indicated in the treatment of B-cell chronic lymphocytic
leukemia in patients who
> have been treated with alkylating agents and who have failed fludarabine
therapy.
> Captopril (Capoten) Associated With Risk of Intestinal Angioedema
> On May 7, the FDA approved changes to the safety labeling for captopril
(Capoten, made by Par
> Pharmaceuticals and others), to warn of the risk of intestinal angioedema in
patients treated with
> angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors.
> The FDA has received reports of patients presenting with abdominal pain with
or without nausea or
> vomiting, in some cases having no prior history of facial angioedema and
normal C-1 esterase levels.
> Angioedema was diagnosed by abdominal computed tomography, ultrasound, or at
surgery. Symptoms
> resolved with discontinuation of the ACE inhibitor.
> The FDA recommends that intestinal angioedema be included in the
differential diagnosis of patients
> taking ACE inhibitors and presenting with abdominal pain.
> Captopril is indicated in the management of hypertension and treatment of
congestive heart failure,
> left ventricular dysfunction after myocardial infarction, and diabetic
neuropathy.
> Indinavir Sulfate Increases Plasma Levels of Sildenafil, Tadalafil,
Vardenafil
> On May 7, the FDA approved changes to the safety labeling for indinavir
sulfate capsules (Crixivan,
> made by Merck), warning of drug interactions with concurrent administration
of sildenafil,
> tadalafil, or vardenafil.
> According to the FDA, indinavir sulfate may significantly increase plasma
concentrations of these
> medications and result in an increased incidence of related adverse events,
including hypotension,
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> visual changes, and priapism.
> Indinavir sulfate is indicated in the treatment of HIV infection.
> Reviewed by Gary D. Vogin, MD
> —————————————————————————-
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> Yael Waknine is a freelance writer for Medscape.
> Medscape Medical News is edited by Deborah Flapan, assistant managing editor
of news at Medscape.
> Send press releases and comments to n…@webmd.net.
> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/484948?src=mp
Maybe I don’t understand this well enough but this appears to refer more to
the Rosiglitazone maleate part rather than the Metformin part as the safety
risk.
Bill
In article <2nuttgF4keb…@uni-berlin.de>,
Peanutjake <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>FDA Safety Labeling Changes: August 4, 2004
The problems are NOT with metformin, but with glitazones.
Read the message carefully; the drug listed uses metformin
on in conjunction with one of these, and the problems
exist with or without metformin.
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are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
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hru…@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
Herman Rubin wrote:
> In article <2nuttgF4keb…@uni-berlin.de>,
> Peanutjake <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>FDA Safety Labeling Changes: August 4, 2004
> The problems are NOT with metformin, but with glitazones.
> Read the message carefully; the drug listed uses metformin
> on in conjunction with one of these, and the problems
> exist with or without metformin.
Could you elaborate with respect to pioglitazone? I don’t see any
mention of it in the release. Is there other evidence about
pioglitazone, or is the idea just that they’re similar enough to have
similar consequences?
In article <10hn5iu5erjh…@corp.supernews.com>,
JHA <jad…@rossinilaw.com> wrote:
>Herman Rubin wrote:
>> In article <2nuttgF4keb…@uni-berlin.de>,
>> Peanutjake <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>>FDA Safety Labeling Changes: August 4, 2004
>> The problems are NOT with metformin, but with glitazones.
>> Read the message carefully; the drug listed uses metformin
>> on in conjunction with one of these, and the problems
>> exist with or without metformin.
>Could you elaborate with respect to pioglitazone? I don’t see any
>mention of it in the release. Is there other evidence about
>pioglitazone, or is the idea just that they’re similar enough to have
>similar consequences?
They are similar. They MIGHT be different enough that this
problem does not arise, but I would be very suspicious.
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Sheesh Herman, yes, and alcohol and water are both fluids – that is
about the level of similarity.
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Herman Rubin wrote:
> In article <10hn5iu5erjh…@corp.supernews.com>,
> JHA <jad…@rossinilaw.com> wrote:
>>Herman Rubin wrote:
>>>In article <2nuttgF4keb…@uni-berlin.de>,
>>>Peanutjake <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>>>FDA Safety Labeling Changes: August 4, 2004
>>>The problems are NOT with metformin, but with glitazones.
>>>Read the message carefully; the drug listed uses metformin
>>>on in conjunction with one of these, and the problems
>>>exist with or without metformin.
>>Could you elaborate with respect to pioglitazone? I don’t see any
>>mention of it in the release. Is there other evidence about
>>pioglitazone, or is the idea just that they’re similar enough to have
>>similar consequences?
> They are similar. They MIGHT be different enough that this
> problem does not arise, but I would be very suspicious.
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Peanutjake wrote in message <2nuttgF4keb…@uni-berlin.de>…
>FDA Safety Labeling Changes: August 4, 2004
>Yael Waknine
>Aug. 4, 2004 – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved in May
revisions to drug safety
>labeling to advise healthcare professionals of the following changes: . .
.(snip). . .
>Rosiglitazone Maleate/Metformin HCl (Avandamet) Associated With Risk of
Cardiovascular Adverse
>Events
>On May 19, the FDA approved changes to the safety labeling for
rosiglitazone maleate/metformin HCl
>tablets (Avandamet, made by SB Pharmco), warning that thiazolidinediones
(alone or in combination
>with other antidiabetic agents) are associated with risk of fluid retention
that may exacerbate or
>lead to heart failure.. . . .
Avandia, Actos, the TZD removed from the market, and the TZDs in
clinical trials all offer the chance of an edema side-effect. Avandia by
itself needs an edema warning. Avandia with metformin needs an edema
warning
That’s why they are prescription-only items. Somebody knowledgeable has to
monitor their performance to make certain that you are receiving the
striking benefits of the TZD class of meds but not suffering from excessive
side effect.
The best way to handle these situations is to read the package insert very
carefully so that you can pick up obvious side effects without waiting for
your next visit to the doc.
.
Regards
Old Al
JHA,
The concerns are the same for Actos as for Avandia.
The difference here is that Actos does not have a combination
Actos/metformin tablet available yet.
The increase in CHF risk has been well documented for both products, see
http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2002/safety02.htm#thiazo . The risk is
primarily in those treated with insulin at the same time.
When Actos has a similar combination drug, expect it to have very similar
warnings required by the FDA.
Metformin has a warning for use in congestive heart failure. Metformin
doesn’t increase the risk of heart failure, like Actos and Avandia. Rather,
the risk of lactic acidosis increases with heart failure.
That being said, the incidence of lactic acidosis, even in patients with
some degree of heart failure or renal disease, is very low. In fact, there
are now publications reporting how frequently metformin is used in patients
with heart, liver, or renal disease and the rarity of any problems from
lactic acidosis.
Cheers,
William C Biggs, MD
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> Herman Rubin wrote:
>> In article <2nuttgF4keb…@uni-berlin.de>,
>> Peanutjake <peanutjak…@usa.com> wrote:
>>>FDA Safety Labeling Changes: August 4, 2004
>> The problems are NOT with metformin, but with glitazones.
>> Read the message carefully; the drug listed uses metformin
>> on in conjunction with one of these, and the problems exist with or
>> without metformin.
> Could you elaborate with respect to pioglitazone? I don’t see any mention
> of it in the release. Is there other evidence about pioglitazone, or is
> the idea just that they’re similar enough to have similar consequences?