Discussion of diabetes management in day to day life

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  de.sci.medizin.diabetes soll das deutschsprachige Gegenstueck zu
  den englischsprachigen Diabetes-Gruppen werden, da in diesen
  ausdruecklich und ausschliesslich in englisch diskutiert werden darf.
  Ferner entspricht der dortige, insbesondere medizinsche Schulungs-
  Standard nicht dem der Bundesrepublik Deutschland, bzw. dem
  deutschsprachigen Raum.
  Der Begriff "Diabetes" charakterisiert sowohl den Sinn als auch den
  Zweck der Newsgroup.
  Die Gruppe soll ein Forum fuer
  – die deutschsprachigen Diabetiker/innen,
  – deren soziales Umfeld,
  – der mit der "Krankheit" betrauten Aerzte (Diabetologen,
    Nephrologen, Augenaerzte, Psychologen etc.)
  – Ernaehrungsberater/Diaetassistenten usw.
    bilden.
  Zur Diskussion, stehen alle Themen um den Diabetes; u.A.
  – medizinische Aspekte der Behandlung,
  – Krankheitsbewaeltingung (Coping),
  – Mitarbeit der Diabetiker bei der Behandlung (Compliance),
  wobei jede Art der kommerziellen Werbung verboten ist.

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When I received my Blue Cross/Blue Shield bill this month, it had a
brochure in it which had some good news for Massachusetts subscribers
pertaining to coverage for blood glucose monitoring testing strips.
The brochure read as follows:

                                   WHAT’S NEW
                             for Individual Members

                    ************************************
                    *  This is a quarterly newsletter  *
                    *      for individual members      *
                    *    produced by Blue Cross and    *
                    *          Blue Shield of          *
                    *          Massachusetts           *
                    ************************************

            New Benefits for Blood Glucose Monitoring Testing Strips

     A new Massachusetts state law has been enacted which mandates coverage
     for materials used to test for the presence of sugar (for example,
     chemstrip bG, dextrostix and glucostix).  Coverage for this benefit
     is retroactive to July 1, 1994.  There are certain procedures to
     follow when submitting bills and claims for reimbursement for these
     items:

          o  Submit your claims for reimbursement on a Subscriber Claim
             Form, making sure to complete all the information requested
             on the form.  If you need forms, please call us at
             1-800-822-2700, and we will send them to you.

          o  Be sure to attach the paid receipts to the claim form.
             You will be reimbursed in accordance with the benefits
             provided by your contract (deductibles and co-insurance
             may apply).

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Dear Friends,

This seems to me sufficiently important to report to the list, even though
my information source is merely a few minute report that I just saw
at the Israeli TV as part of the news program.

According to the program, in Kaplan Hospital in Israel they are reviving
a method to treat diabetics whose foot suffers from gangrene and is in
danger of amputation. The hospital team claims that their treatment is not
new and was discarded several years ago as not helping, but now they decided
to give it a second try (with some variation, I understand). They tried
it on 14 patients and all recovered!

The treatment has two parts: In one part they put the foot in oxygen
under pressure. This revives the blood cells (if I understood it
correctly). The other part is to bring the foot under laser radiation.
This enlarges the blood vessels.

I saw patients undergoing the two treatments. The gangerened foot looked to
me horrible. I saw it put in a plastic cover into which oxygen was pumped.
I saw the foot being radiated with laser. A patient was interviewed. He said
that three months ago he thought that he was losing his foot and now it was
healed.

Until now I was told that when gangrene starts, there is very little one can
do. I have a dear friend whose both feet were amputated a few years ago.
It seems that this treatment gives a new hope.

Rachel

Blake Wilfong (bl…@phoenix.phoenix.net) wrote:

: My mother has been on Glucophage for four months.  Her blood glucose
: levels have improved greatly–to normal nondiabetic levels–yet her
: peripheral neuropathy has accelerated markedly, causing loss of sensation
: in her feet, loss of balance, and burning.  She already uses B vitamins.

I’ve been on Glucophage since June, with the same excellent results
in controlling bg’s. I found that when Glucophage was the sole medication
I was taking, neuropathy seemed somewhat improved. For a brief period,
(only about a week), I was taking Lopid for triglycerides. The combination
of Glucophage and Lopid threw bg’s completely out of control (worse than
ever for me), and the neuropathy became MARKEDLY more severe. All this
within a matter of two or three DAYS. Fortunately, I had the same rapid
turn-around when I ceased taking the Lopid. BG’s back to normal, and
significant improvement with the neuropathy. So, if she is taking any
other medications concurrently, this could be a path to investigate. Also,
as I am writing this, I am reminded of the fact that the neuropathy was
aggravated significantly when first getting the bg’s under control with
insulin. So apparently the body has to get used to normal bg’s again when
attaining control. Such has been my experience. YMMV.

: Has anyone heard any reports that Glucophage has no effect on (or even
: worsens) peripheral neuropathy?  Does anyone have any suggestions for her?

: Thanks in advance for any advice/information.

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Jim MacKelvey

jimb…@netcom.com

Jill:  Many years ago  I read an article about weight gain in diabetics.  
What it said was that the tighter the control, the more chance for weight
gain.  And it sure is right.  Now that I figured out that a certain food
additive (Sorbitol) caused my sugars to go excessively high, I have stayed
away from it and all foods that contain it.  Now that I have done that, I am
in beautiful control–I also gained a few pounds that I cannot get rid of no
matter how hard I try.   Cutting back on the calories, fat, etc., doesn’t make
a bit of difference.  But, my weight stays steady; I would worry more about if
I started dropping it really fast; that means no control!!!  Good control
means that your body can act more "normally", and that means using the food
you eat more efficiently.

Sue

Do you understand WHY the coffee helped?  The caffeine in it dilated the blood
vessels, which had constricted because your sugar went to low; that was to
help keep your blood pressure up.  You could also drink sugar in the coffee
when your sugars are too low; I do all the time when I need it.  I also found
that the Glucose tablets made me feel worse than eating white sugar.  When I
wake up in the middle of the night, I eat two pudding cups that have sugar in
them, and they work better and faster than the glucose tablets with less side
effects.  

Glad you solved your problem,

Sue
al…@primenet.com

I have been introduced to a product called "Pycnogenol". Okay so you may of
heard about it you may not have. There are many people using this product for
their conditions of diabetes.

Pycnogenol is a food additive product. It is a free radical scavenger. It is
more powerful than Vitamin C and Vitamin E. This product has been used in
Europe for many many years and has found to have no adverse side effects.

One gentleman that is using this product for his diabetic condition ate a
whole block of chocolate to prove to himself and others that this product
really works.

For more information you can E-mail me or ring or send a letter by post:
(Please include your phone no. and postal address for info.)
E-mail: bbr…@gil.ipswichcity.gov.qld.au
Phone: (07) 3351 1466.
Address: 66 Glenmorgan Street Keperra Queensland Australia 4054.

Hi,

My father-in-law has been a diabetic now for over 10 years and has been
controlling his diabetes using oral medications and diet and exercise.
However, he has consistently found his bg readings to be much higher in
winters than the rest of the year. This is despite the fact that he does
indeed exercise the same degree of control in terms of diet/exercise that
he does the rest of the year. His doctor says that this is normal for cold
weather.

I would appreciate any information regarding these increased bg levels in
cold weather, and any suggestions to control the bg levels are greatly
welcome.

With regards

Mani Srivastava

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